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    As a gay guy, atheist and left-winger (centre-left), I find it absolutely bizarre and frankly repulsive that some of my fellow gays and left-wingers find it necessary to be an apologist for Islam.

    I saw a socialist stand in my university the other day, with these leaflets talking about how Islam has been libelled and demonised, and that it's not at all homophobic and totally compatible with women's rights.

    I asked the woman manning the stall; "What about Saudi? What about the Iranian theocracy?" and she told me that criticising them on the basis of gay and women's rights was simply homosexual and feminist colonialism, and in fact the women and gay people of Saudi and Iran love their religious government.

    I couldn't believe my ears. I'm sick of people who should know better being apologists for a dark age religion. And no more whataboutery!
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    Damnit, the title tricked me.

    I came in with a smile, thinking this was going to be a rant about how Political Correctness is trying to demonize religion and remove there right to express an opinion.

    Disapoint.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    As a gay guy, atheist and left-winger (centre-left), I find it absolutely bizarre and frankly repulsive that some of my fellow gays and left-wingers find it necessary to be an apologist for Islam.

    I saw a socialist stand in my university the other day, with these leaflets talking about how Islam has been libelled and demonised, and that it's not at all homophobic and totally compatible with women's rights.

    I asked the woman manning the stall; "What about Saudi? What about the Iranian theocracy?" and she told me that criticising them on the basis of gay and women's rights was simply homosexual and feminist colonialism, and in fact the women and gay people of Saudi and Iran love their religious government.

    I couldn't believe my ears. I'm sick of people who should know better being apologists for a dark age religion. And no more whataboutery!
    I agree with you. Now can you see why those on the right get angry with the left? It is this type of idiotic hypocrisy that gets to us.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    I agree with you. Now can you see why those on the right get angry with the left? It is this type of idiotic hypocrisy that gets to us.
    Well, to me that's only half ingenuous insofar as many conservatives want to say, "Muslims are utterly terrible for opposing gay rights and women's rights" out of one side of their mouth, while vehemently opposing gay rights out the other.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Damnit, the title tricked me.

    I came in with a smile, thinking this was going to be a rant about how Political Correctness is trying to demonize religion and remove there right to express an opinion.

    Disapoint.
    Who is trying to remove their right to express an opinion?

    Most religios are confusing the right to express an opinion, with the right not to have that opinion challenged. They seem to believe they have a right not just to express an opinion, but that it should be popular as well.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    Who is trying to remove their right to express an opinion?

    Most religions are confusing the right to express an opinion, with the right not to have that opinion challenged. They seem to believe they have a right not just to express an opinion, but that it should be popular as well.

    Recent legislation is making it impossible for employers to hire and practice based on personal moral convictions.

    Don't want to hire a gay man? Bam sued your the devil.
    Don't want to let a gay couple sleep in your bed in your private B&B, sued your a bigot.
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    Technically, all religions are 'dark age' religions. Today, many Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. choose to disregard the more 'barbaric' rules in their respective holy texts in line with modern society. Islam, admittedly, has a problem with doing this. I don't know for sure, but I've heard from liberal Muslim friends that their text, the Koran/Quran, does actually promote equal rights between men and women. It's centuries of patriarchal rule intertwined with culture that has lead to modern sexism e.g. Saudi Arabia.

    Basically, religious texts don't change, religious attitudes can and do. Muslims attitudes are changing, just slowly. This doesn't necessarily mean they never massively will.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Don't want to hire a gay man? Bam sued your the devil.
    Do you think that people should be able to discriminate in employment due to race?

    Don't want to let a gay couple sleep in your bed in your private B&B, sued your a bigot.
    If you're offering a public service, you are subjected to public standards. Do you think it would be permissible to decline to house an interracial couple?

    Also, what a ludicrous example, considering the story of Jesus' birth.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Recent legislation is making it impossible for employers to hire and practice based on personal moral convictions.

    Don't want to hire a gay man? Bam sued your the devil.
    Don't want to let a gay couple sleep in your bed in your private B&B, sued your a bigot.
    If someone didn't want to hire a black person, or didn't want to let a mixed race couple sleep in their B&B, based on their personal moral conviction, would you approve?
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    Do you think that people should be able to discriminate in employment due to race?
    If they are privately owned bushiness, absolutely.



    If you're offering a public service, you are subjected to public standards. Do you think it would be permissible to decline to house an interracial couple?
    If it was your buisness and you held such views.
    Yes

    Also, what a ludicrous example, considering the story of Jesus' birth.
    Say what in the when?
    Why do I care about Jesus?
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    (Original post by Pangol)
    If someone didn't want to hire a black person, or didn't want to let a mixed race couple sleep in their B&B, based on their personal moral conviction, would you approve?
    Yes and yes.

    As long as they were privately owned businesses.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    As a gay guy, atheist and left-winger (centre-left), I find it absolutely bizarre and frankly repulsive that some of my fellow gays and left-wingers find it necessary to be an apologist for Islam.

    I saw a socialist stand in my university the other day, with these leaflets talking about how Islam has been libelled and demonised, and that it's not at all homophobic and totally compatible with women's rights.

    I asked the woman manning the stall; "What about Saudi? What about the Iranian theocracy?" and she told me that criticising them on the basis of gay and women's rights was simply homosexual and feminist colonialism, and in fact the women and gay people of Saudi and Iran love their religious government.

    I couldn't believe my ears. I'm sick of people who should know better being apologists for a dark age religion. And no more whataboutery!
    Yupyup. Why should anyone who uses their beliefs to be completely intolerant and awful be treated with tolerance?
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    As a gay guy, atheist and left-winger (centre-left), I find it absolutely bizarre and frankly repulsive that some of my fellow gays and left-wingers find it necessary to be an apologist for Islam.

    I saw a socialist stand in my university the other day, with these leaflets talking about how Islam has been libelled and demonised, and that it's not at all homophobic and totally compatible with women's rights.

    I asked the woman manning the stall; "What about Saudi? What about the Iranian theocracy?" and she told me that criticising them on the basis of gay and women's rights was simply homosexual and feminist colonialism, and in fact the women and gay people of Saudi and Iran love their religious government.

    I couldn't believe my ears. I'm sick of people who should know better being apologists for a dark age religion. And no more whataboutery!
    Welcome to the crazy world of left-wing 'logic'.

    Enjoy
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Welcome to the crazy world of left-wing 'logic'.

    Enjoy
    What are you studying again ChefDave?

    I'm just curious considering you don't appear to have gone to university, don't appear to be studying now, and generally just throw in ad hominem, substanceless comments and whatever you just read in the Daily Heil.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    What are you studying again ChefDave?

    I'm just curious considering you don't appear to have gone to university, don't appear to be studying now, and generally just throw in ad hominem, substanceless comments and whatever you just read in the Daily Heil.
    How very elitist-lefty of you.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    What are you studying again ChefDave?

    I'm just curious considering you don't appear to have gone to university, don't appear to be studying now, and generally just throw in ad hominem, substanceless comments and whatever you just read in the Daily Heil.
    At the moment I'm studying economics and religion. Not that it's any of your business thank you very much.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    How very elitist-lefty of you.
    It's a valid question, considering this is The Student Room.

    Also, it does make me question, what's the point of making a post like this when right-wing ********s will simply crow about it and miss the point.

    Conservatives seem expert at making enemies, they alienate pretty much everyone.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    It's a valid question, considering this is The Student Room.

    Also, it does make me question, what's the point of making a post like this when right-wing ********s will simply crow about it and miss the point.

    Conservatives seem expert at making enemies, they alienate pretty much everyone.
    If you look back you'll find that I agreed with your premise. But what you said to chefdave just reeked of Diane Abbott-esque smugness.

    That applies even more so to the left. You think people enjoy stinking dread-locked bums marching through their town, such as Occupy? No. They're a laughing stock, if anything.
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    (Original post by AlexandrTheGreat)
    As a gay guy, atheist and left-winger (centre-left), I find it absolutely bizarre and frankly repulsive that some of my fellow gays and left-wingers find it necessary to be an apologist for Islam.

    I saw a socialist stand in my university the other day, with these leaflets talking about how Islam has been libelled and demonised, and that it's not at all homophobic and totally compatible with women's rights.

    I asked the woman manning the stall; "What about Saudi? What about the Iranian theocracy?" and she told me that criticising them on the basis of gay and women's rights was simply homosexual and feminist colonialism, and in fact the women and gay people of Saudi and Iran love their religious government.

    I couldn't believe my ears. I'm sick of people who should know better being apologists for a dark age religion. And no more whataboutery!
    I agree. Religion is an opinion, and like an opinion it should be open to the same amout of debate, scrutiny and criticism as anything else. I'm sick of religions getting protected because 'they're religion'. Circular reasoning anyone?
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    That applies even more so to the left. You think people enjoy stinking dread-locked bums marching through their town, such as Occupy? No. They're a laughing stock, if anything.
    Presumably you would concede that this is not something confined to the left?

    The right-wing has its own anti-social, unhygienic bums in the form of "Freemen on the Land"
 
 
 
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