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    okay soo ... if any of you have read my other thread (which I doubt) I hold offers from both Birmingham and Bristol for law next year ....
    Its a really tough decision for me as I feel like I wont fit in at Bristol (asian /working class)
    but everywhere ive looked (on tsr) in threads from other people in similar positions it seems that it is really really drilled in here that Bristol is miles better? My ambition is to work in an MC firm and everyone (every thread) keeps telling me that Bristol would be miles better and that I would be 'advancing' my career if I were to choose Bristol, and that Bristol would give me the Edge
    So forgive me for being naive but why is that? What sets Bristol apart from the likes of Birmingham, i mean all the magic circle firms visit both + hold regular presentations, theyre both RG, and there not that much between them according to league tables (which are rubbish I know), the entry standards for both are the same and I got a pretty shoddy LNAT and still got an offer from both so its not like Bristol are sooooo strict when it comes to the LNAT
    I just dont understand I thought it was oxbridge - London - Everybody else or would an equal applicant from the 'second teir' ie bristol/notts/durham really be favoured over an equal candidate from Bham?
    So I was just wondering why people think would Bristol help me in my career so much, from looking around at trainee profile on Linkedin I noticed that obvs the vast majority came from oxbridge and London, but then Bristols numbers werent thaaat much higher than Bhams, higher yes but I mean there were still people from Bham who got training contracts in their last year :/ I saw a couple in Allen and Overy/linkalters and some in the big American firms aswell - and obviously this isnt that much of a accurate picture because alot of trainees wouldnt even have linkedin

    any thoughts
    this decision really is killing me
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    I dont have anything positive to add because im in the same position as you so im just gna sit back and watch. I hope you get some answers though
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    (Original post by margyrain)
    I dont have anything positive to add because im in the same position as you so im just gna sit back and watch. I hope you get some answers though

    haha really youve got offers from Bham and Bristol for law?
    what a coincidence :P yeah hopefully theyll be some replies
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    No ive got an offer from bristol but i want to find out what makes bristol better in terms of peoples opinions
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    (Original post by alleta95)

    1. I hold offers from both Birmingham and Bristol for law next year ....

    2. I feel like I wont fit in at Bristol (asian /working class)

    3. everywhere ive looked (on tsr) in threads from other people in similar positions it seems that it is really really drilled in here that Bristol is miles better My ambition is to work in an MC firm and everyone (every thread) keeps telling me that Bristol would be miles better and that I would be 'advancing' my career if I were to choose Bristol, and that Bristol would give me the Edge

    4. So forgive me for being naive but why is that? What sets Bristol apart from the likes of Birmingham, i mean all the magic circle firms visit both + hold regular presentations, theyre both RG, and there not that much between them according to league tables (which are rubbish I know), the entry standards for both are the same and

    5. I got a pretty shoddy LNAT and still got an offer from both so its not like Bristol are sooooo strict when it comes to the LNAT

    6. I just dont understand I thought it was oxbridge - London - Everybody else or would an equal applicant from the 'second teir' ie bristol/notts/durham really be favoured over an equal candidate from Bham?

    7. So I was just wondering why people think would Bristol help me in my career so much, from looking around at trainee profile on Linkedin I noticed that obvs the vast majority came from oxbridge and London,

    8. but then Bristols numbers werent thaaat much higher than Bhams, higher yes but I mean there were still people from Bham who got training contracts in their last year :/ I saw a couple in Allen and Overy/linkalters and some in the big American firms aswell - and obviously this isnt that much of a accurate picture because alot of trainees wouldnt even have linkedin
    Very strange post in so many ways.

    1. Congratulations *

    2. Bristol is a very diverse city with a wide variety of people, faiths, cultures, shops, arts venues, theatres , clubs etc. Being Asian and working class won't make you particularly different at all.

    3. Bristol is a lot better, don't look at the margins where it comes close to Birmingham, look at where it excels. Bristol has an international standing, Birmingham, not so much. Bristol would give you the edge because employers hold its reputation in very high regard.

    4. Again, don't mistake taking the top end of Birmingham from anyone from Bristol (I'm not saying in law that this specifically happens, but your logic may be flawed)

    5. Maybe you didn't and maybe there were other points about your application that Bristol liked.

    6. Nowhere near, Law is extremely competitive and getting more and more so. Many/most employers will have a hierarchy in mind, albeit there will be 'clusters' and some will overlap. I suspect most MC employers will see a gap between Bristol and Birmingham.

    7. The strength of academic teaching and support you will get and the reputation that is held in by employers (plus a great student experience)

    8. How much higher do you want them to be? They were higher, in almost every single aspect.

    You can call up the Law Faculty, ask to be put in contact with a student on the course, contact the students union and ask questions etc. Otherwise it begs the questions, when everyone is telling you Bristol is better in every aspect, and all the stats point to that, what aren't you sure about?

    * Forgot to say, don't be persuaded just by being given an offer. Many Russell Group universities missed their student recruitment targets by a very significant margin last year, and are giving offers to pretty much everyone predicted over ABB, to make sure they don't drop their numbers this year as well.
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    (Original post by threeportdrift)
    Very strange post in so many ways.

    1. Congratulations *

    2. Bristol is a very diverse city with a wide variety of people, faiths, cultures, shops, arts venues, theatres , clubs etc. Being Asian and working class won't make you particularly different at all.

    3. Bristol is a lot better, don't look at the margins where it comes close to Birmingham, look at where it excels. Bristol has an international standing, Birmingham, not so much. Bristol would give you the edge because employers hold its reputation in very high regard.

    4. Again, don't mistake taking the top end of Birmingham from anyone from Bristol (I'm not saying in law that this specifically happens, but your logic may be flawed)

    5. Maybe you didn't and maybe there were other points about your application that Bristol liked.

    6. Nowhere near, Law is extremely competitive and getting more and more so. Many/most employers will have a hierarchy in mind, albeit there will be 'clusters' and some will overlap. I suspect most MC employers will see a gap between Bristol and Birmingham.

    7. The strength of academic teaching and support you will get and the reputation that is held in by employers (plus a great student experience)

    8. How much higher do you want them to be? They were higher, in almost every single aspect.

    You can call up the Law Faculty, ask to be put in contact with a student on the course, contact the students union and ask questions etc. Otherwise it begs the questions, when everyone is telling you Bristol is better in every aspect, and all the stats point to that, what aren't you sure about?

    * Forgot to say, don't be persuaded just by being given an offer. Many Russell Group universities missed their student recruitment targets by a very significant margin last year, and are giving offers to pretty much everyone predicted over ABB, to make sure they don't drop their numbers this year as well.

    LOL probably because I'm in quite a strange situation I guess
    hmm I'm aware Bristol itself is diverse but the univeristy isn't, from what I gathered the extreme majority is very white middle class, like I have no problem making freinds with whoever I come from London lol but im worried I may be slightly isolated in such a different enviroment.... everyone I know whos been to uni have found the best best mates there have ended up living/travelling with them ... I dunno for some reason I find that difficult to see for me In bristol (i know it sounds stupid) :/
    I know bristol is good, but if its good enough for me to firm it over somewhere if felt more comfortable is another question
    Are you a law student at bristol? Do you reacon ill be disadvantaged if i Pick bham over Bristol in terms of employment and that?
    Im so confused lol

    and in reply to point 4 - im not comparing the top end of bham to anyone at bristol TCs (essp at mc) are extremely competitive at any university.. I doubt 'anyone' from Bristol would get a TC it would be the best from both universities
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    (Original post by alleta95)
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    I suspect that Bristol University is many times more diverse than most MC companies

    University is, for most people, the time to grow up and mix in the real world - you are going to live in a very narrow world if you want to only associate with people who have the same body design, eating habits etc as you. I know that's easy to say, but look at the thousands and thousands of people that do go to uni every year, versus the few people who drop out (rarely for social reasons). Maybe take a look at the Union website and search around the wide variety of clubs and societies and see if there are any you think you'd find supportive, faith based, cultural, language based, or sports etc I bet you'll find plenty that interest you and where you will be able to find 'people like you' however you are defining that.

    I'm not a law student, and I am biased because I am involved with the Uni, but yes, your career prospects will on average be better from Bristol (unless you are the sort of superstar that will rise to the to anywhere).

    Have you been down to visit Bristol? If you've got the time, I'm sure the Union could sort something out for you. Have you spoken to any law students?

    I can't find the equivalent for Birmingham, you might have to go direct to the DLHE website, but here are the Bristol results. Not very glamorous sounding because of course those that go on to a practicing law career have to go on to further courses, so the details of firms they end up with don't show, but it gives you an idea. http://www.bris.ac.uk/careers/grads/...tats/law11.asp
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    Purely on the subject of being Asian and working class - it won't hold you back socially unless you think it will, so don't socialise with people who aren't identical in ethnicity and background to you, so don't make friends with anyone else...

    On a more serious note, the world us not filled with working class Asian Londoners, especially not MC law firms. Learning to be happy and comfortable in an environment with people who aren't like you will stand you in good stead for the rest of your life, both career wise and socially.

    Finally, what makes you think you won't be able to make friends with white middle class people? I have a working class Asian Muslim friend from London and all his closest friends at uni are white, and largely middle class. It just doesn't make a jot of difference to us.

    PS I hate to think of the outrage I would cause if I posted a thread saying I was white, middle class and southern, going to Bradford Uni and was worried about all those working class Asians I might have to socialise with

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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Purely on the subject of being Asian and working class - it won't hold you back socially unless you think it will, so don't socialise with people who aren't identical in ethnicity and background to you, so don't make friends with anyone else...

    On a more serious note, the world us not filled with working class Asian Londoners, especially not MC law firms. Learning to be happy and comfortable in an environment with people who aren't like you will stand you in good stead for the rest of your life, both career wise and socially.

    Finally, what makes you think you won't be able to make friends with white middle class people? I have a working class Asian Muslim friend from London and all his closest friends at uni are white, and largely middle class. It just doesn't make a jot of difference to us.

    PS I hate to think of the outrage I would cause if I posted a thread saying I was white, middle class and southern, going to Bradford Uni and was worried about all those working class Asians I might have to socialise with

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    I think that's the best piece of advice your going to get on here
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    I studied Law at Bristol and graduated in 2012. I doubt you're going to find someone on here that studied at both in order to get that sort of comparison but I can answer anything you want to do with Bristol and law.

    The few points below are largely repeating what other people have said

    1. Bristol is fairly middle class. But then again law at a magic circle firm is fairly middle class so get used to it I'm afraid!

    2. Bristol is probably the more prestigious but yeah what does that mean? Well the law department is housed in a fancy building and the library could pass for the sort of library you get at a minor Oxbridge college. We do slightly better in terms of league tables based upon various different metrics. As you say there is more to life than league tables though - slightly better stats relating to ucas points tariffs, research quality, grad destinations etc - does that make you happy? It didn't mean much to me when I was tearing my hair out several thousand words into my dissertation in third year.

    3. Bristol get quite a lot of things sponsored by big firms. In my first term I was chatting to a Slaughter & May lawyer at some UBLC event. If working (or selling your soul) to a MC firm and spending your life making minor changes to contracts in order to allow some international conglomerate somewhere to avoid tax is your goal in life then Bristol is a decent place to be. Seriously though, the links with big law firms are pretty good if that is what you are after. (I lost interest in a legal career myself).

    4. A poster above has said the teaching quality was likely to be higher at Bristol. Some of my teaching was excellent and some was pretty **** to be honest with little in between. Teaching quality isn't necessarily better at a top school.

    5. Getting into a MC firm is more about you than your university. Everyone has a 2.1 from the RG. What else have you got? are your tort and contract marks great cos they are usually the key ones? What else? law president? mooting? debating? cv enhancing pro bono? innocence project? sports? do have have that public school confidence to come across well at interview? are you "good in a room" so to speak? In that sense debating the merits of Bristol v Birmingham is a bit meaningless.

    That is my view anyway.
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    (Original post by Spectre1039)
    I studied Law at Bristol and graduated in 2012. I doubt you're going to find someone on here that studied at both in order to get that sort of comparison but I can answer anything you want to do with Bristol and law.

    The few points below are largely repeating what other people have said

    1. Bristol is fairly middle class. But then again law at a magic circle firm is fairly middle class so get used to it I'm afraid!

    2. Bristol is probably the more prestigious but yeah what does that mean? Well the law department is housed in a fancy building and the library could pass for the sort of library you get a minor Oxbridge college. We do slightly better in terms of league tables based upon various different metrics. As you say there is more to life than league tables though - slightly better stats relating to ucas points tariffs, research quality, grad destinations etc - does that make you happy? It didn't mean much to me when I was tearing my hair out several thousand words into my dissertation in third year.

    3. Bristol get quite a lot of things sponsored by big firms. In my first term I was chatting to a Slaughter & May lawyer at some UBLC event. If working (or selling your soul) to a MC firm and spending your life making minor changes to contracts in order to allow some international conglomerate somewhere to avoid tax is your goal in life then Bristol is a decent place to be. Seriously though, the links with big law firms are pretty good if that is what you are after. (I lost interest in a legal career myself).

    4. A poster above has said the teaching quality was likely to be higher at Bristol. Some of my teaching was excellent and some was pretty **** to be honest with little in between. Teaching quality isn't necessarily better at a top school.

    5. Getting into a MC firm is more about you than your university. Everyone has a 2.1 from the RG. What else have you got? are your tort and contract marks great cos they are usually the key ones? What else? law president? mooting? debating? cv enhancing pro bono? innocence project? sports? do have have that public school confidence to come across well at interview? are you "good in a room" so to speak? In that sense debating the merits of Bristol v Birmingham is a bit meaningless.

    That is my view anyway.
    heyy thank you so much for your reply..... do you mind if I ask you a few questions is regards to life at bristol/the law school .. I mean ive been to the open day and everything but it was hard to find out everything that I wanted to know, and plus Bristol was the first university that I went to see so I was kinda overwhelmed by the whole thing I think instead of focusing on asking questions
    can I like message you .... actually how do I do that still kinda new to this haha :/

    but thanks again ... appreciate your response
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    (Original post by alleta95)
    heyy thank you so much for your reply..... do you mind if I ask you a few questions is regards to life at bristol/the law school .. I mean ive been to the open day and everything but it was hard to find out everything that I wanted to know, and plus Bristol was the first university that I went to see so I was kinda overwhelmed by the whole thing I think instead of focusing on asking questions
    can I like message you .... actually how do I do that still kinda new to this haha :/

    but thanks again ... appreciate your response
    Yeah feel free to ask me anything on here or PM if you'd rather not say something publicly.

    Obviously I'm only one person. I'm not representative of every Bristol law grad...certainly that is the case in terms of knowing by second year I didn't want to be a solicitor or barrister. Vacation Scheme applications seemed to be an obsession of some in the Common Room in Wills Memorial!
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    I don't know anything about the unis, but as cities, I find that Bristol is FAR nicer, friendlier and more exciting than Brum.

    (I Grew up in Brum, moved to Bristol for music college when I was 18)
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    I don't know anything about the unis, but as cities, I find that Bristol is FAR nicer, friendlier and more exciting than Brum.

    (I Grew up in Brum, moved to Bristol for music college when I was 18)
    Really? what makes you say that
    yeah I had the idea that Bham was a ****hole from passing visits to weddings and stuff but when I went to visit the uni and then spent the rest of the day in the city centre at like newstreet and the bullring (whether you guys consider that the city centre or not I dont know) but yeah my mind was completely changed, it seemed so buzzing a lively, granted there were a few run down places, but coming from london it wasnt anything worse than Ive seen at home
    Ive heard Bristols beauts but other than walking around the university buildings (which were indeed beautiful) I didnt see much off it, but tbh I didnt get the same kinda 'buzz' I got from Bham or maybe coming from london my expectation were a little high haha
    one thing I know for certain though is no matter where i go nightlife wont be a problem as ive heard theyre both amazing
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    Purely on the subject of being Asian and working class - it won't hold you back socially unless you think it will, so don't socialise with people who aren't identical in ethnicity and background to you, so don't make friends with anyone else...

    On a more serious note, the world us not filled with working class Asian Londoners, especially not MC law firms. Learning to be happy and comfortable in an environment with people who aren't like you will stand you in good stead for the rest of your life, both career wise and socially.

    Finally, what makes you think you won't be able to make friends with white middle class people? I have a working class Asian Muslim friend from London and all his closest friends at uni are white, and largely middle class. It just doesn't make a jot of difference to us.

    PS I hate to think of the outrage I would cause if I posted a thread saying I was white, middle class and southern, going to Bradford Uni and was worried about all those working class Asians I might have to socialise with

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    yeah that sound advice, but like when im comparing bristol and Bham this wasnt like the crux of my comparison there were loads of factors that pointed me towards bham and away from Bristol haha
    but im still deciding
    hmmm I completly understand where your coming from yes your right the legal profession is completely dominated by a middle class and largely white population ... but like I dont think Ive put myself across very well (and i want to be lawyer :/) me personally growing up where I have, I couldnt give two stuffs about someones race/ethnicity when it comes to making friends as long as your good to me then we're fine, but this is partly due to coming from london and essp my school which is so mixed no one thinks twice about the race/ethnicity of their friends. My main worry was that at uni not everyone will have this mind set .... do you get what I mean? I know it sounds harsh and judgmental im just scared of being maybe isolated a little :/ its sounds pathetic but im just being straight with you
    Tbh i think (even with bham) im just scared/terrified of leaving comfort zone when I go to uni, which I know in order to grow up is something I have to do, but the worry is understandable right? or am i just being a baby
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    (Original post by alleta95)
    Really? what makes you say that
    yeah I had the idea that Bham was a ****hole from passing visits to weddings and stuff but when I went to visit the uni and then spent the rest of the day in the city centre at like newstreet and the bullring (whether you guys consider that the city centre or not I dont know) but yeah my mind was completely changed, it seemed so buzzing a lively, granted there were a few run down places, but coming from london it wasnt anything worse than Ive seen at home
    Ive heard Bristols beauts but other than walking around the university buildings (which were indeed beautiful) I didnt see much off it, but tbh I didnt get the same kinda 'buzz' I got from Bham or maybe coming from london my expectation were a little high haha
    one thing I know for certain though is no matter where i go nightlife wont be a problem as ive heard theyre both amazing
    New St/Bull Ring is city centre, yeah. Personally I'm not big on Birmingham's nightlife. I can't stand clubbing, and Birmingham city centre doesn't seem to offer much in the way of quality venues, whereas Bristol does, and within a smaller area.

    I just find that Bristol is just generally a lot more chilled out and friendly. There are always gatherings like the zombie walk (which finishes at Castle Park - last year there was a band playing, and everyone just chilled out in the sun. It was amazing!), Harbour Fest, Brisfest. Not only that, but I find Birmingham to be far too crowded and busy for my liking.
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    (Original post by Guitarded)
    New St/Bull Ring is city centre, yeah. Personally I'm not big on Birmingham's nightlife. I can't stand clubbing, and Birmingham city centre doesn't seem to offer much in the way of quality venues, whereas Bristol does, and within a smaller area.

    I just find that Bristol is just generally a lot more chilled out and friendly. There are always gatherings like the zombie walk (which finishes at Castle Park - last year there was a band playing, and everyone just chilled out in the sun. It was amazing!), Harbour Fest, Brisfest. Not only that, but I find Birmingham to be far too crowded and busy for my liking.

    ahh right guess we're pretty different then- im not really in to bands and stuff like that, more keen on clubbing and stuff haha
    hmm im not too fussed about how crowded/busy somewhere is - aslong as I feel its got a good buzz (weird I know) then im okay, would hate to go to a smaller/isolated town like york or warwick
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    (Original post by alleta95)
    ahh right guess we're pretty different then- im not really in to bands and stuff like that, more keen on clubbing and stuff haha
    hmm im not too fussed about how crowded/busy somewhere is - aslong as I feel its got a good buzz (weird I know) then im okay, would hate to go to a smaller/isolated town like york or warwick
    Fair enough Whichever you choose I'm sure it'll be amazing either way!!
 
 
 
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