Michael Gove's Qualifications Watch

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If I was doing a heart surgery would I opt to be lead by the Chairman of google? Heavily qualified guy, or so I’ve heard but no knowledge in that specific sector.

No I don’t disagree but rather than have specialists rant, advise and complain about the actions of department heads, why not just make them the department heads?
Because they might have zero organisational ability, they might be awful leaders, they might not want to be in charge... Many reasons.

It also goes against our principle that in order to represent the people you need to merely be one of the people. If we're putting in place certain quotas for who can be ministers, and therefore MPs, we're in danger of ruining that idea.

I'd also quite like having someone relatively dispassionate in charge, someone who's going to be willing to hear both sides of the argument.
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Except we appointed Admiral Lord West as a defence minister and then immediately blew the budget on two aircraft carriers with a lifespan of 50 years than we can't afford to equip with planes or to operate.

The RAF assume that the Typhoon will be their last manned fighter and they will be flying drones off any scraggy bit of land or cheap freighter ship to which they can get access.The Army is planning for a future of low intensity ground warfare against irregulars in jeeps. The Navy wish to sink the Bismark.
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And was that smart? Again and again and again I said wise people, nutcases, fruit cakes and lunatics need not apply ( put that in the job description) . And if we are gonna talk about blunders what about the latest one the f35 which we bought 180 something of the things and they will cost about 50 million extra each just to make them operable. They carry a pathetic payload, they have small fuel tanks they give out their position to everyone around them, they may spontaneously combust while flying and they have less technology than the first iPhone. It is out classed by a wooden stick.
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Because they might have zero organisational ability, they might be awful leaders, they might not want to be in charge... Many reasons.

It also goes against our principle that in order to represent the people you need to merely be one of the people. If we're putting in place certain quotas for who can be ministers, and therefore MPs, we're in danger of ruining that idea.

I'd also quite like having someone relatively dispassionate in charge, someone who's going to be willing to hear both sides of the argument.
Well to be an MP I’m sure they’d have to be somewhat qualified, you don’t just gain campaigning skills and look after a constituency by doing nothing.

Ah yes, because Michael Gove and Jeremy hunt are really one of us! Well said. Again, I’m sure they hear both sides pretty loud and clear, except they’re standing next to a brick wall on one side. Nevertheless they’re hearing from both sides.
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Ah yes, because Michael Gove and Jeremy hunt are really one of us!
Well, as a man once said:

Well to be an MP I’m sure they’d have to be somewhat qualified
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Well, as a man once said:
Ah you almost caught me out, assuming you didn’t realise I meant the skills you listed, organisational ability, leadership and being in control. So close, but not close enough.

You wouldn’t have a banker as a criminal law judge now would you? Sure he’s got the leadership, he’s got the integrity, I certainly hope he can make good judgments based on evidence or else his bank is probably somewhere with Northern Rock, he’s also got the organisational skills but correct me if I’m wrong, the key words are criminal and law? Anyone can judge, I tend to do it on a daily basis, I’m sure we all do but just don’t admit it.
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Ah you almost caught me out, assuming you didn’t realise I meant the skills you listed, organisational ability, leadership and being in control. So close, but not close enough.

You wouldn’t have a banker as a criminal law judge now would you? Sure he’s got the leadership, he’s got the integrity, I certainly hope he can make good judgments based on evidence or else his bank is probably somewhere with Northern Rock, he’s also got the organisational skills but correct me if I’m wrong, the key words are criminal and law? Anyone can judge, I tend to do it on a daily basis, I’m sure we all do but just don’t admit it.
So far you've listed two jobs that require actual and specific qualifications, as regulated by legal bodies, as well as experience, in a discussion about politicians, who require neither such thing.

It's almost as if you're not taking the conversation seriously.
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So far you've listed two jobs that require actual and specific qualifications, as regulated by legal bodies, well as experience.

It's almost as if you're not taking the conversation seriously.
Well in that case, why don’t we have legal requirements for cabinet positions? Am I missing something or does the cabinet minister not have responsibility over most the sector they’re responsible for?

Why have a politician pursuing their own agenda which isn’t always in the best interest of their sector and require advisors/specialists to understand complex information which is likely to be considered simple information by professionals in the sector?

What qualifies Michael Gove for his positions? What qualifies Jeremy hunt for his position? I think we all know they’re chosen for political purposes and not on the basis to run the department in the best interests of the sector.
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Well in that case, why don’t we have legal requirements for cabinet positions? Am I missing something or does the cabinet minister not have responsibility over most the sector they’re responsible for?
But then, the PM has responsibility over them, so why isn't there a legal requirement for them too?

It's a different debate to the one we're having - a perfectly valid one, without a doubt - but not the same.
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Back then Oxford was not competitive so you could show up to Oxford with just Cs at GCSE, these days however it doesn't work like that
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And was that smart? Again and again and again I said wise people, nutcases, fruit cakes and lunatics need not apply ( put that in the job description) . And if we are gonna talk about blunders what about the latest one the f35 which we bought 180 something of the things and they will cost about 50 million extra each just to make them operable. They carry a pathetic payload, they have small fuel tanks they give out their position to everyone around them, they may spontaneously combust while flying and they have less technology than the first iPhone. It is out classed by a wooden stick.
But West had exactly the sort of CV you are seeking for ministers. He had been First Sea Lord. Appoint him to ministerial office and we order these two aircraft carriers. Jellicoe and Jacky Fisher had nothing this big.
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But West had exactly the sort of CV you are seeking for ministers. He had been First Sea Lord. Appoint him to ministerial office and we order these two aircraft carriers. Jellicoe and Jacky Fisher had nothing this big.
And was he of sound mind? I doubt that if someone spends the budget on just 2 aircraft carriers they would be right in the head. Again nutters need not apply
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You never actually said what you do and what ministry you work for, you edited out the part where you say you are a senior advisor (I wonder why you did that?). There is no ministry of trolley pushing.maybe the ministry of kebabs?
I was working for the Home Office. They have a massive presence in Heathrow working on anti-smuggling, counter trafficking, counter terrorism, migration and asylum, among other things.

I now work on environmental policy.

A policy advisor is a specialist in policy implementation and delivery. A science advisor is a specialist in science. A legal advisor specialises in law.

It's called division of labour.
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I was working for the Home Office. They have a massive presence in Heathrow working on anti-smuggling, counter trafficking, counter terrorism, migration and asylum, among other things.

I now work on environmental policy.

A policy advisor is a specialist in policy implementation and delivery. A science advisor is a specialist in science. A legal advisor specialises in law.

It's called division of labour.
And if your advisors give you wrong info, wouldn't it be better if you have the technical knowledge so you can call them on their bull?(if there is any) Or just trust whatever they say? I myself have virtually no trust in anyone completely and I like gaining knowledge so I know nearly everything about all specialities in medicine, chemistry in nearly all branches and a little physics. Because I've been burned before by trusting people. sure it is a hassle but what can you do? When I see bull I call people on it because I know. And before you say it, yes I have no social life I'm either working or reading. I'm reading on m theory as we speak. I know not everyone would like to live like this. And not everyone can understand and retain vast amounts of information.
Some people don't even know what a leap year is but there you go
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Either you're a troll and need help or you're not a troll and need help.
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Either you're a troll and need help or you're not a troll and need help.
I am no troll trust me, the definition of a troll is someone that joins a discussion and deliberately ruins it by the use of bad language or abuse. so the troll by definition is you llamadumba.....( fill in the spaces) (that is trolling!! incase you didn't know) and Why do you say I need help? If having knowledge is bad thing then I don't know what this world is coming to. If you think ignorance is a good thing then you need help. This reminds me of the film idiocracy, looks like it's coming true. The Hierarchy has been inverted, the people who know very little are at the top. And that's how the decline begins. I know for sure without your advisors you could not even begin to comprehend or compete with me on a scientific level and you know it. without your advisors you are no match for me. you need other people to do your work for you? hah pathetic!!! advisors should be called upon only when absolutely necessary, not to do your work for you but to consult on the toughest things . you hide your weakness behind delegation and division of labour. people like you are weak for not relying solely upon their own strength!! By the way I have just checked from insider info and none of the top senior advisors have been transferred from the home office to environment. Your story doesn't check out, stop lying. It seems that you're in need of lots of help with the delusions of grandeur. Am no longer going to waste my time with liars , Or dignify anymore of your comments.
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Next you'll be saying that you need an Economics degree to be Chancellor....
I mean, it'd certainly help me with the task at hand...
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I'm pretty sure he's never talked about his specific grades, it would only take a quick google search to find them if he had.
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Lack of Science indicated that he has no interest in the Endocannabinoid System that is why it was not included in the 2014 National Curriculum. Don't think Damian Hinds has any science either!
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Here's a guy who's got a very bad academic history.

But it still doesn't mean he can't be good at his job.



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I say this as although I'm not impacted by Gove, I hope you're not going to turn this into a claim that he can't be very good at his job beciase he has a poor academic record.
Have you ever read Bransons biography? His success is based on tax fiddles and climbing on the back of others whilst shouting down his competitors. He invented fake news for his own gain even if he didn't coin the term.
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He went to Oxford, so pretty good.
Also, he was adopted, and was a state-schooler who won a scholarship to study at an independent school before going on to Oxford.
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