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    Hi forum, I just found this forum by googling. I really need your view to my dilemma now. My background is Industrial Engineering and Operation Research from university in South East Asia.
    I am working as Business Risk Specialist in Metals and Mining Company for 2 years, and thinking to change my career. ( I hope I can get more than $150k after graduate)
    I am looking to continue my study this year, and thank God I have already got offers (some programs I applied in 2011-2012, but I defer for 2013 intake), such following:
    MEng Engineering with Business Finance (UCL)
    MEng Engineering with Business Management (King's College)
    MSc International Management (King's College)
    MEng Purchasing Manager in Technology and Industry (Ecole Centrale Paris)
    MSc Finance (University of Warwick)
    MSc Industrial Engineering and Management (University of Twente)
    MSc Business Information Systems (ANU Australia)
    MSc Infrastructure, Investment and Finance (UCL)
    MSc Energy and Resources Management (UCL Australia)
    MSc Mineral and Energy Economics (Curtin University - Australia)

    I am actually still confuse about what is my passion, but since my decision must be made this month, what is your opinion about this? and what do you expect after gaining this master degree? And thinking about the tuition fees, what do you think about the program that will give you higher salary?

    I am sorry to ask this question, as I am really on dilemma to make decision (as whatever my decision will need huge investment). And all the people surround me don't give any view at all, they let the decision up to me.
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    (Original post by Harsya29)
    Hi forum, I just found this forum by googling. I really need your view to my dilemma now. My background is Industrial Engineering and Operation Research from university in South East Asia.
    I am working as Business Risk Specialist in Metals and Mining Company for 2 years, and thinking to change my career. ( I hope I can get more than $150k after graduate)
    I am looking to continue my study this year, and thank God I have already got offers (some programs I applied in 2011-2012, but I defer for 2013 intake), such following:
    MEng Engineering with Business Finance (UCL)
    MEng Engineering with Business Management (King's College)
    MSc International Management (King's College)
    MEng Purchasing Manager in Technology and Industry (Ecole Centrale Paris)
    MSc Finance (University of Warwick)
    MSc Industrial Engineering and Management (University of Twente)
    MSc Business Information Systems (ANU Australia)
    MSc Infrastructure, Investment and Finance (UCL)
    MSc Energy and Resources Management (UCL Australia)
    MSc Mineral and Energy Economics (Curtin University - Australia)

    I am actually still confuse about what is my passion, but since my decision must be made this month, what is your opinion about this? and what do you expect after gaining this master degree? And thinking about the tuition fees, what do you think about the program that will give you higher salary?

    I am sorry to ask this question, as I am really on dilemma to make decision (as whatever my decision will need huge investment). And all the people surround me don't give any view at all, they let the decision up to me.
    Your family and friends leave the decision up to you because you should know what you want to study. If you still do not know then asking strangers on the internet its not going to help you at all.

    At the very least decide where you want to study - Australia or Europe - so you can eliminate half the list and work from there. Most people on this forum will only have experience of the British universities.
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    Hi, actually I am more prefer on the subject rather than the country of my study.. Could you give your insight about my options? I am desperately have no idea, that's why i came up share to this forum..

    Please help, this month is my decision due..T.T
    Wrong decision = loss big money = lifetime sorrow..
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    (Original post by Harsya29)
    Hi, actually I am more prefer on the subject rather than the country of my study.. Could you give your insight about my options? I am desperately have no idea, that's why i came up share to this forum..

    Please help, this month is my decision due..T.T
    Wrong decision = loss big money = lifetime sorrow..
    You've got some wildly different courses in there. You've given absolutely no indication of what direction you want to go in, so I don't really see, as evantej said, how anyone here can help you at the moment...also, from what I can see your main aim is a salary package. No degree is going to guarantee you that.
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    In my opinion, you should ask yourself if you are ready for graduate study. If it is already this hard for you to eliminate at least a few choices, maybe you should work a few more years to see what you really want to do. Graduate studies will also require a certain amount of self-reliance and if you are already struggling now...

    For example, would you rather do a pure management/finance course or does it have to include engineering? Do you want to focus on Energy matters?

    Apart from all this, professionals in your (prefered) field with a graduate degree would also be a more competent source to answer these questions.
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    Hi Harsya, may i know what is your academic background? just wondering because you got accepted into so many Unis
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    (Original post by moronz)
    Hi Harsya, may i know what is your academic background? just wondering because you got accepted into so many Unis
    My background is Industrial Engineering with focus on Operation Research. My research was related with Supply Chain Optimization, Decision Support System, Applied Statistics, etc.

    I work in managerial position as Business Risk Analyst (M&A Decision, Risk Information System, etc) in Metals and Mining Company.

    To simplify my request, if you have to decide, what will you choose and why? Just it..
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    (Original post by sj27)
    You've got some wildly different courses in there. You've given absolutely no indication of what direction you want to go in, so I don't really see, as evantej said, how anyone here can help you at the moment...also, from what I can see your main aim is a salary package. No degree is going to guarantee you that.

    Actually not that wildly different courses.. As you can see, it is only my last 2 options that unalign with others (overall it is all about engineering and management), because I work in Metals and Mining Company and hope my careers enhanced if I graduate from this studies..

    About salary, i think it is not about guarantee.. but we talk about prospect.. no degree will secure you numbers.. But as we know, If you work in Oil Company your basic salary > in property business..

    In your own view, what will you choose if you have these options? and why? I just want to have other insights...
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    (Original post by PinkMacaron)
    In my opinion, you should ask yourself if you are ready for graduate study. If it is already this hard for you to eliminate at least a few choices, maybe you should work a few more years to see what you really want to do. Graduate studies will also require a certain amount of self-reliance and if you are already struggling now...

    For example, would you rather do a pure management/finance course or does it have to include engineering? Do you want to focus on Energy matters?

    Apart from all this, professionals in your (prefered) field with a graduate degree would also be a more competent source to answer these questions.

    I really want to study this year.. as you know I have defer these options for 2 years..

    I prefer to study management/finance with management.. energy matters are my view about increasing of salary prospect ahead..

    If you are given these options (with your background you have now), what will you choose and why?

    I just want to have other view.. thanks (counting days to make decision T.T)
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    (Original post by Harsya29)
    I am working as Business Risk Specialist in Metals and Mining Company for 2 years, and thinking to change my career. ( I hope I can get more than $150k after graduate)
    That's the sort of salary you earn after working through a career path for a few years. You won't find that kind of wage available in any industry upon graduating from any Masters.

    Unless you can narrow down what subject you want to study for yourself, it might be worth staying with your current career and finding ways to work up the ladder where you are.
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    (Original post by Klix88)
    That's the sort of salary you earn after working through a career path for a few years. You won't find that kind of wage available in any industry upon graduating from any Masters.

    Unless you can narrow down what subject you want to study for yourself, it might be worth staying with your current career and finding ways to work up the ladder where you are.
    Oh really??... my relative who works in BCG Belgium (Consultant Position) said that he got net for 500k Euros last year (gross for 10 million Euros). I don't know whether he lied to me or not.

    His Background.
    MEng Engineering with Business Finance (UCL) --> MS Management Science and Engineering (Stanford)

    Work Experience:
    GDF Suez, BCG (for less than 2 years)

    That's what triggered me not to make mistake on decide my choice..

    Any Comment?
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    With 2 years' experience? It sounds unlikely. Scroll down this page to get to consulting companies in Belgium : http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/be...L.0,7_IN25.htm

    Certainly, if you look at this link http://www.caseinterview.com/consulting-salary you can get $150k on graduating, but you need an MBA (and remember an MBA usually requires a good few years experience to get into in the first place). And look at the salary scales - your friend would be exceptional to earn what you say he is with two years' experience.

    Also note the comments in the piece about how these are salaries for top MBA programs at the top consultancies, very hard to get into, and that others can pay significantly less.

    I can understand BCG might pay up for a Stanford graduate, and the name of the school is probably more important than the degree title here, but I think either he's misleading you or you've misunderstood. Have you applied to any of the top US unis?
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    (Original post by Harsya29)
    Oh really??... my relative who works in BCG Belgium (Consultant Position) said that he got net for 500k Euros last year (gross for 10 million Euros). I don't know whether he lied to me or not.

    His Background.
    MEng Engineering with Business Finance (UCL) --> MS Management Science and Engineering (Stanford)

    Work Experience:
    GDF Suez, BCG (for less than 2 years)

    That's what triggered me not to make mistake on decide my choice..

    Any Comment?
    As you'll see from the BCG staff profile page, they state that academic excellence is just a starting point. After that, you essentially need to be the best person for the job which can involve a range of backgrounds and personal attributes:

    "There is not one ideal background; there are many. We have found this confirmed over and over in our daily client work. The complexity of the problems we deal with in management consulting not only accommodates but also demands great diversity of academic backgrounds, work experience, perspective, thinking style, and expertise. At BCG, physicists and historians, chemists and lawyers have become successful business leaders. It is not the degree that matters. Having excelled in academia is necessary, but that is not a sufficient condition to succeed in consulting. Having a successful career in BCG takes an open mind, the eagerness to learn from your team members, the curiosity to continuously explore new topics, and the eagerness to find solutions to problems. Physicists, historians, chemists, and lawyers can have the right profile just as many business majors do."
    http://www.bcg.be/careers/faq.aspx

    If you're confident that your relative is giving you accurate information, then you aren't guaranteed to get the same type job that he has, even if you get exactly the same academic qualifications. It's about the type of person you are as well.

    If you're looking to emulate him then the same UCL MEng would seem the logical place to start. But you also need to develop your personal skills - such as decision-making.
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    (Original post by Harsya29)
    My background is Industrial Engineering with focus on Operation Research. My research was related with Supply Chain Optimization, Decision Support System, Applied Statistics, etc.

    I work in managerial position as Business Risk Analyst (M&A Decision, Risk Information System, etc) in Metals and Mining Company.

    To simplify my request, if you have to decide, what will you choose and why? Just it..
    which uni did you graduated from? and where in South East Asia? im Indonesian, and im going to UCL this september
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    Going by location (as looking at your choices, this appears to have played a part in your decision making when applying) Paris and London are both great cities, but unless you've been to London already a number of times, I think you'll have more fun there. It's smaller, so everything is closer together and a lot of tourist sites are free. Although very overcroweded. Paris is much, much larger, with great expenses between places, but not as overcrowded unless you go to a tourist site.
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    (Original post by sj27)
    With 2 years' experience? It sounds unlikely. Scroll down this page to get to consulting companies in Belgium : http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/be...L.0,7_IN25.htm

    Certainly, if you look at this link http://www.caseinterview.com/consulting-salary you can get $150k on graduating, but you need an MBA (and remember an MBA usually requires a good few years experience to get into in the first place). And look at the salary scales - your friend would be exceptional to earn what you say he is with two years' experience.

    Also note the comments in the piece about how these are salaries for top MBA programs at the top consultancies, very hard to get into, and that others can pay significantly less.

    I can understand BCG might pay up for a Stanford graduate, and the name of the school is probably more important than the degree title here, but I think either he's misleading you or you've misunderstood. Have you applied to any of the top US unis?

    Yes, my relative is very outstanding, perhaps he is one in a million candidates. He was Fulbright Scholar as well.

    I have applied to US unis 3-4 years ago name Stanford, MIT, Princeton, and Cornell, but all my applications were rejected.

    You didn't answer my question, what is your choice if you face on my options? and your reason.. )
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    (Original post by Klix88)
    That's the sort of salary you earn after working through a career path for a few years. You won't find that kind of wage available in any industry upon graduating from any Masters.

    Unless you can narrow down what subject you want to study for yourself, it might be worth staying with your current career and finding ways to work up the ladder where you are.
    Oh really?? I think medical doctor will got those paychecks..

    Klix88, my company now is pathetic on giving the paycheck.. I need to switch my career to global company, I hope my life gets better there.. What uni are you in now?
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    (Original post by Klix88)
    As you'll see from the BCG staff profile page, they state that academic excellence is just a starting point. After that, you essentially need to be the best person for the job which can involve a range of backgrounds and personal attributes:

    "There is not one ideal background; there are many. We have found this confirmed over and over in our daily client work. The complexity of the problems we deal with in management consulting not only accommodates but also demands great diversity of academic backgrounds, work experience, perspective, thinking style, and expertise. At BCG, physicists and historians, chemists and lawyers have become successful business leaders. It is not the degree that matters. Having excelled in academia is necessary, but that is not a sufficient condition to succeed in consulting. Having a successful career in BCG takes an open mind, the eagerness to learn from your team members, the curiosity to continuously explore new topics, and the eagerness to find solutions to problems. Physicists, historians, chemists, and lawyers can have the right profile just as many business majors do."
    http://www.bcg.be/careers/faq.aspx

    If you're confident that your relative is giving you accurate information, then you aren't guaranteed to get the same type job that he has, even if you get exactly the same academic qualifications. It's about the type of person you are as well.

    If you're looking to emulate him then the same UCL MEng would seem the logical place to start. But you also need to develop your personal skills - such as decision-making.
    Thanks for your feedback, Actually I am not into Consulting Management Career as stated (perhaps go to Multinational Company), but I just give another insight about my relative's career that I think very appropriate (he went to the right school and right department).

    I hope I can follow such decision, eventhough I will not go Consulting Management Career..

    If you face on my options, what will you choose? just want to know your reason..
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    (Original post by moronz)
    which uni did you graduated from? and where in South East Asia? im Indonesian, and im going to UCL this september

    Hi moronz, im Indonesian too (see your Inbox).. yet I haven't decided whether I'll go to UCL or not. Hope you have your view on my options..
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    (Original post by Eubacterium)
    Going by location (as looking at your choices, this appears to have played a part in your decision making when applying) Paris and London are both great cities, but unless you've been to London already a number of times, I think you'll have more fun there. It's smaller, so everything is closer together and a lot of tourist sites are free. Although very overcroweded. Paris is much, much larger, with great expenses between places, but not as overcrowded unless you go to a tourist site.
    Thank you another insight from me, looks like Paris is more expensive on accomodation.. How about the major? Do you have another view?..
 
 
 
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