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    Is there going to be a big shock with UKIP for the other parties in the local elections
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    (Original post by Ace123)
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    Is there going to be a big shock with UKIP for the other parties in the local elections
    Like them or loathe them, they are a legitimate political party. Although the left will attempt to smear them with cries of facists and racists (Which they do to anybody who holds a different opinion to them). I think it's good that we have another political party in the fram representing another segment of the political spectrum. After all, Labour and Conservatives have been fighting over the same centre ground time and time again.

    I just hope we see a resurgence in hardcore Socialism to split the Labour party.

    Ukips biggest problem though seems to be getting enough of the votes to win a seat. There's a lot of people who support them. Maybe if we had a different system they'd get in more.
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    I doubt this really means much. UKIP does go on about Europe alot, but the way our countries economy is heading, the factor that will be in most peoples' heads when voting is how much money they have in their pocket, or how much they stand to lose, this is why we have support for labour after Gordon Brown
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    A dangerous bunch of nutters who are almost as wrong as possible on almost everything they can be wrong about.
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    (Original post by TritonSails)
    A dangerous bunch of nutters who are almost as wrong as possible on almost everything they can be wrong about.
    I'll take it you're left wing then and therefore do not tolerate anybody holding a different view to you?

    Anyway. I've requested that this get merged with the other UKIP thread
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2299624&page=4
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I'll take it you're left wing then and therefore do not tolerate anybody holding a different view to you?

    Anyway. I've requested that this get merged with the other UKIP thread
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2299624&page=4
    I'm not left-wing. If I think that other people's points of view are dangerous then surely there is something of a moral impetus for me to point that out and try to discourage their spread?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I'll take it you're left wing then and therefore do not tolerate anybody holding a different view to you?
    I don't think disagreeing with someone/thing which has different views is "intolerant". Where has he person quoted shown intolerance to any greater extent than you apparently have for the "left"?

    Is it so wrong that they give an opinion different to your own, that you have to leap on it and call it intolerant? The "left" are wrong to "smear" UKIP, but you can say just what you want to?

    Can't you smell your own hypocrisy?
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    (Original post by TritonSails)
    I'm not left-wing. If I think that other people's points of view are dangerous then surely there is something of a moral impetus for me to point that out and try to discourage their spread?
    debates healthy. Debates good. screaming and shouting Rascist, Bigot, Facist etc isn't.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I'll take it you're left wing then and therefore do not tolerate anybody holding a different view to you?

    Anyway. I've requested that this get merged with the other UKIP thread
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2299624&page=4
    As a Right Winger I completely agree with him.
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    (Original post by TritonSails)
    A dangerous bunch of nutters who are almost as wrong as possible on almost everything they can be wrong about.
    what's dangerous about UKIP?
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    what's dangerous about UKIP?
    I think that leaving the EU is a dangerous idea. I think that they don't really understand economics, and a look at their website shows that they don't really have any idea about what they want to do with the economy, but it almost certainly doesn't involve the one thing that the economy actually needs (investment). Their proposal to freeze permanent immigration for five years while we 'regain control of our borders' (whatever that is supposed to mean) would be disastrous.

    That's without going into pretty much all minority groups and also women, all of whose interests and rights would be under a lot more danger in a UKIP government.
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    (Original post by TritonSails)
    I think that leaving the EU is a dangerous idea. I think that they don't really understand economics, and a look at their website shows that they don't really have any idea about what they want to do with the economy, but it almost certainly doesn't involve the one thing that the economy actually needs (investment). Their proposal to freeze permanent immigration for five years while we 'regain control of our borders' (whatever that is supposed to mean) would be disastrous.
    Leaving the EU dangerous? The UK would once again be self-governing, with legislation coming from its own democratically elected parliament as opposed to the unelected (thus unaccountable) bureaucrats of Brussels who are not acting in the UK's self-interest. Attacks on the financial industry (and thus the City of London, Europe's largest financial centre) for instance, where the UK was out-voted 26 to 1. The Common Fisheries Policy, which uses Britain's waters as Europe's fishing ground. Not to mention the regulations on carbon emissions which are shutting down British industry and sending it abroad to countries without such hostile regimes, while renewables targets add vast sums to energy bills to promote projects such as wind turbines which aren't viable without obscene subsidies.

    Douglas Carswell (Conservative MP) has said that Britain's membership of the EU is like being shackled to a corpse. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9636417/Britain-shackled-to-corpse-of-EU-says-Douglas-Carswell.html)

    Furthermore, economist Tim Congden has estimated that our membership of the EU costs the country £150bn a year, or 10% of GDP. You can read his justifications here: http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/Cost%2...EU11.09.12.pdf

    Regaining control of the UK's borders means that our border agency can control who (from abroad) has the right to settle, work and have access to the social security system in the UK. At present under the Freedom of Movement tenet of the EU, half a billion people have that right. If they wish to exercise that right, they must be made welcome. There is no question of putting a limit on numbers. Space must be found. Planning for housing, schools, doctors and hospitals, and supportive infrastructure is impossible. A temporary freeze on immigration for permanent settlement would be disastrous? This doesn't mean that temporary work permits cannot be issued, or that people cannot visit this country, so I don't understand your objection.

    That's without going into pretty much all minority groups and also women, all of whose interests and rights would be under a lot more danger in a UKIP government.
    care to elaborate? As far as I'm aware UKIP take the position that all should be treated equally, regardless of sex, age, colour. UKIP is against the doctrines of political correctness and so-called positive discrimination. State imposed "equality" makes society less, not more equal, by dividing groups based on certain attributes and characteristics and assigning rights on that basis.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    Leaving the EU dangerous? The UK would once again be self-governing, with legislation coming from its own democratically elected parliament as opposed to the unelected (thus unaccountable) bureaucrats of Brussels who are not acting in the UK's self-interest. Attacks on the financial industry (and thus the City of London, Europe's largest financial centre) for instance, where the UK was out-voted 26 to 1. The Common Fisheries Policy, which uses Britain's waters as Europe's fishing ground. Not to mention the regulations on carbon emissions which are shutting down British industry and sending it abroad to countries without such hostile regimes, while renewables targets add vast sums to energy bills to promote projects such as wind turbines which aren't viable without obscene subsidies.

    Douglas Carswell (Conservative MP) has said that Britain's membership of the EU is like being shackled to a corpse. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9636417/Britain-shackled-to-corpse-of-EU-says-Douglas-Carswell.html)

    Furthermore, economist Tim Congden has estimated that our membership of the EU costs the country £150bn a year, or 10% of GDP. You can read his justifications here: http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/Cost%2...EU11.09.12.pdf

    Regaining control of the UK's borders means that our border agency can control who (from abroad) has the right to settle, work and have access to the social security system in the UK. At present under the Freedom of Movement tenet of the EU, half a billion people have that right. If they wish to exercise that right, they must be made welcome. There is no question of putting a limit on numbers. Space must be found. Planning for housing, schools, doctors and hospitals, and supportive infrastructure is impossible. A temporary freeze on immigration for permanent settlement would be disastrous? This doesn't mean that temporary work permits cannot be issued, or that people cannot visit this country, so I don't understand your objection.



    care to elaborate? As far as I'm aware UKIP take the position that all should be treated equally, regardless of sex, age, colour. UKIP is against the doctrines of political correctness and so-called positive discrimination. State imposed "equality" makes society less, not more equal, by dividing groups based on certain attributes and characteristics and assigning rights on that basis.
    The EU is democratically elected.

    Tim Congden may have been a good economist a couple of decades back but his increasing radicalization has damaged his credentials on that front to the point anything Europe must be bad.

    And don't be ridiculous, UKIP would discriminate against anything that wasn't British like the good racists they are.
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    (Original post by Ace123)
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    Is there going to be a big shock with UKIP for the other parties in the local elections
    Cherry picked poll.

    The ICM has Ukip 6 points behind on 9%, i can cherry pick as well.

    Ukip will gain but if they double the Lib Dems, i will stick my finger up my own ass.
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    (Original post by TritonSails)
    I think that leaving the EU is a dangerous idea. I think that they don't really understand economics, and a look at their website shows that they don't really have any idea about what they want to do with the economy, but it almost certainly doesn't involve the one thing that the economy actually needs (investment). Their proposal to freeze permanent immigration for five years while we 'regain control of our borders' (whatever that is supposed to mean) would be disastrous.

    That's without going into pretty much all minority groups and also women, all of whose interests and rights would be under a lot more danger in a UKIP government.
    You think this, you think that blah blah blah. How about you try and see opposing points of view without just dismissing them straight away. I think Labour doesn't have a real understanding of economics, and they don't have any real ideas what to do with the economy. The same with the Conservatives etc, you'd think Osborne never actually listened in his history lessons with what the way he's handling things! What you and I think doesn't automatically make it true. And yes, UKIP does have a good understanding of the economy, Farage has more experience in the economy than Miliband/ Clegg/ Cameron put together. He's actually done a revolutionary thing called working in a job, and not just gone into politics straight after Oxbridge/Bullingdon Club/JSA.
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    (Original post by Will Lucky)
    The EU is democratically elected.

    Tim Congden may have been a good economist a couple of decades back but his increasing radicalization has damaged his credentials on that front to the point anything Europe must be bad.

    And don't be ridiculous, UKIP would discriminate against anything that wasn't British like the good racists they are.
    Oh dear, the intellectual capacity of TSR is really hitting rock bottom.
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    I really don't get how people say UKIP don't understand economics or the economy. What and George Osborne does? He's never had a proper job, never owned a business, never employed anyone; his only claim to knowing economics was folding towels in a hotel while he was studying at university. Interestingly, the degree he did was history. I'm not saying UKIP's economics policies are the best, they are not, but to say the party has no clue about economics, business or anything else really is hypocritical when their main people have had jobs, owned businesses and employed people.
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    Tories would be ahead of Labour comfortably if you added say 13 or 14 points from UKIP onto them. Are you listening Mr. Cameron?
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    (Original post by JackJack)
    I really don't get how people say UKIP don't understand economics or the economy. What and George Osborne does? He's never had a proper job, never owned a business, never employed anyone; his only claim to knowing economics was folding towels in a hotel while he was studying at university. Interestingly, the degree he did was history. I'm not saying UKIP's economics policies are the best, they are not, but to say the party has no clue about economics, business or anything else really is hypocritical when their main people have had jobs, owned businesses and employed people.
    I don't think the Conservatives know what they're doing with the economy either. But you don't learn about the kind of national and international economics integral to running a country by being a businessman. 'Economics' is not the same thing as 'business'.
 
 
 
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