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    I've been thinking about this as I'm led in bed cursing my ruined body clock.

    Who benefits from immigration in the UK?

    Obviously the immigrants do. They get a better quality of life and more job opportunities in the UK.

    Large scale corporations and employers do as they have a larger pool of cheap labour.

    But I can't see how the existing working class benefit. If anything the increase in competition for work is a massive negative.

    It's the government who control immigration. I suppose they care more about corporations and the economically higher class than the working class.

    It reminds me of the Roman Republic. Slavery played a role similar to immigration. Providing cheap labour to the rich. The Optimate Senetorial faction supported slavery as they were supported by the rich aristocracy while the Populists were less in favour as slavery took jobs away from working class Romans, from whom they gained their support.

    I'd like someone to explain how I'm wrong. I do like diversity and would like to find a benefit immigration has for the working class that out weighs the negatives.

    Isn't this country supposed do be quite socialist? So why do we have immigration that poops on the working class?

    I know it's ethically nice to provide a better life for immigrants in the UK but we can't run the country as a charity.
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    I also just thought the working class could benefit from immigrants with specialised skills moving into the country as they could provide services previously unavailible. However this could cause lack of progress in that specialisation by the country's original citizens. Or maybe not. Not sure on that one.
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    You won't get any responses answering the question as your points are correct, but those who believe that "immigration is always good and you can never have too much of it because that's racist/xenophobic and we're not those nasty things" don't want to admit this.
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    Yes, immigration increases competition, which generally leads to lower wages. But that's also the case with immigration from rural areas to urban ones, and from the North to the South, yet no-one suggests we stop that.

    Interestingly, the people who complain about immigrants 'taking out jobs' (or something along those lines) are also usually the same people who claim that benefits are too high and that living on benefits is an easy life. So in other words, immigrants come to the UK and do British people's jobs for us so those British people can live comfortably on welfare....yet apparently that's a bad thing?

    (Original post by Jacob :))
    Isn't this country supposed do be quite socialist?
    What do you mean 'supposed to be'? Who says it's supposed to be socialist?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Interestingly, the people who complain about immigrants 'taking out jobs' (or something along those lines) are also usually the same people who claim that benefits are too high and that living on benefits is an easy life. So in other words, immigrants come to the UK and do British people's jobs for us so those British people can live comfortably on welfare....yet apparently that's a bad thing?
    If you're in favour of slavery just say so. May not have been such a bad idea after all? We'll just use Eastern Europeans instead of blacks and put our feet up.
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    Employers benefit from it.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Yes, immigration increases competition, which generally leads to lower wages. But that's also the case with immigration from rural areas to urban ones, and from the North to the South, yet no-one suggests we stop that.

    Interestingly, the people who complain about immigrants 'taking out jobs' (or something along those lines) are also usually the same people who claim that benefits are too high and that living on benefits is an easy life. So in other words, immigrants come to the UK and do British people's jobs for us so those British people can live comfortably on welfare....yet apparently that's a bad thing?



    What do you mean 'supposed to be'? Who says it's supposed to be socialist?
    If you ask me we should lower and reshape welfare and stop immigration or at least slow it. Of course it's a bad thing! We want to get people off welfare.

    Intranational immigration is different as all parties benefitting a British citizens.

    The UK is very socialist compared to the US.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    You won't get any responses answering the question as your points are correct, but those who believe that "immigration is always good and you can never have too much of it because that's racist/xenophobic and we're not those nasty things" don't want to admit this.
    I hate the idea that being anti immigration is racist.
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    I hate the idea that being anti immigration is racist.
    The issue is that it can be racist. It just depends on the reasoning behind it
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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    The issue is that it can be racist. It just depends on the reasoning behind it
    The I hate the assumption that people's reasoning is racism.
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    The families; the immigrants who get benefits ship the money over to them.
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    Governments, they love immigration because they can twist the figures to look good on paper. So at first is seems that the economy has grown by 20%, that's brilliant vote for us!, but then when you realise the population has grown by 30% things somehow Dont seem as rosey. In fact for your average Joe they've gotten worse. More people also means more power which politicians just love. Immigration has been promoted by labour and the left at the sole detriment of the British people which is disgusting, and yet people still vote for them in droves, they deserve all they get.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    If you're in favour of slavery just say so. May not have been such a bad idea after all? We'll just use Eastern Europeans instead of blacks and put our feet up.
    I think you need to look up the definition of slavery.
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    On a related note; what plans do the proponents of mass immigration really have? When will we say 'we're full'? When we have a population of 80 million? 100 million? When every square inch of this small island is filled with skyscrapers and offices? Immigration is a giant Ponzi scheme - those in favour of it say that we need young workers to pay for our elderly population, but what are we going to do when those young migrants grow old themselves? Import even more?

    If those in government had any sense they'd close the borders now and come up with real, workable alternatives.
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    If you ask me we should lower and reshape welfare
    This kind of thing has been tried before and not much happens - the unemployment rate always seems unaffected by welfare.

    Of course it's a bad thing! We want to get people off welfare.
    Getting people off welfare isn't an end in itself.

    Intranational immigration is different as all parties benefitting a British citizens.
    From the economic perspective there are no 'British citizens', just people, because citizenship is an artificial distinction - the government could declare anyone they want to be a British citizen.

    The UK is very socialist compared to the US.
    Only if you're using the word 'socialist' simply to mean 'left-wing'. And you could apply that to virtually any democratic country. The US has among the most right-wing politics of any democracy.
 
 
 
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