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    This is something that women really enjoy saying when they have had a bit of bad luck with one guy, or have been rejected or something.
    "All guys are horrible, I'm turning lesbian!" most people have seen this type of thing, particularly on social networks such as Facebook, and Twitter, and Tumblr is rife with people who post content like this.

    But are we really that bad? Are we equal? Or are men actually better than women regarding relationships?
    Men are stereotyped as being very heartless, emotionless, aggressive and short tempered. Women are stereotyped as being all affectionate, loving, all for the family, obedient, so on so forth.

    Does this really make sense any more? Are men so bad? Or are women just attracting the wrong sort of men because of how they act or dress, without even knowing about it?
    Thoughts?
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    Men > Women

    We run the world
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    People who are hurt say stupid things. That's about it really. You point out the stereotypes about men and women, and I'd say they are true to an extent but only because we were brought up to embody them. From the moment our parents find out our sex, they start putting us into a gendered box and by doing so we start to develop those qualities that we are 'supposed' to have. Men are taught they are not supposed to be emotional, and if they are, they better not show it. Women on the other hand are taught to show those feelings and talk about them, which is probably why they end up whining on Facebook. And why the relationship section of TSR is full of anon males whining about women...
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    Women that are actually worth your time don't say things like that. Most who say that just do so out of spite anyway, so they probably don't ACTUALLY believe that ALL men are horrible.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong and women may really be raging Slitheen in disguise; hell-bent on hurting the male population. :dontknow:
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    So long as Loose Women is around then yes, men are always going to be seen as bad. I think the Simpsons sum shows up like that perfectly:

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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    People who are hurt say stupid things. That's about it really. You point out the stereotypes about men and women, and I'd say they are true to an extent but only because we were brought up to embody them. From the moment our parents find out our sex, they start putting us into a gendered box and by doing so we start to develop those qualities that we are 'supposed' to have. Men are taught they are not supposed to be emotional, and if they are, they better not show it. Women on the other hand are taught to show those feelings and talk about them, which is probably why they end up whining on Facebook. And why the relationship section of TSR is full of anon males whining about women...
    Surely you can not place the blame entirely on the upbringing of children.. Stereotypes such as this example generally arise from a source of truth that has been exrapolated and smeared across a larger range than actually factual. This of course may contribute to the upbringing of children into these gender roles, but can't it be argued that we have come to behave like that with our offspring through evolutionary pressures as opposed to societal ones? Or that societal ones have come about due to evolutionary pressures?

    In regards to the OP's question, I think that men are typically more nonchalant over emotions, in respect to not really putting much effort into them nor truly understanding them.
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    (Original post by Mockery)
    Surely you can not place the blame entirely on the upbringing of children.. Stereotypes such as this example generally arise from a source of truth that has been exrapolated and smeared across a larger range than actually factual. This of course may contribute to the upbringing of children into these gender roles, but can't it be argued that we have come to behave like that with our offspring through evolutionary pressures as opposed to societal ones? Or that societal ones have come about due to evolutionary pressures?

    In regards to the OP's question, I think that men are typically more nonchalant over emotions, in respect to not really putting much effort into them nor truly understanding them.
    Well it's not just the parents, it's every institution in society which force us to conform to our gender stereotypes and people who don't are punished by social condemnation. This has been going on for such a long time that it does seem natural to most people, and until you actually research it people just assume that gender differences are all down to biology. I'm not denying that there are biological differences between the sexes but I think that most of them can be accounted for by socialisation into a society that rewards gender differences.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Well it's not just the parents, it's every institution in society which force us to conform to our gender stereotypes and people who don't are punished by social condemnation. This has been going on for such a long time that it does seem natural to most people, and until you actually research it people just assume that gender differences are all down to biology. I'm not denying that there are biological differences between the sexes but I think that most of them can be accounted for by socialisation into a society that rewards gender differences.
    Aye, I agree your views to an extent, however I could argue that socialisation is a construct built upon the evolutionary traits existant between both genders. Also, at what point do these societal and behavioural pressures that have been moulded over such an extended period of time actually become so ingrained in our species that they become genuine 'gender roles' both physically and psychologically, and what suggests that that hasn't already come about?
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Men > Women

    We run the world
    Beyoncé might have a thing or two to say about that.
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    In my eyes, men have been seen in a whole different light with the 'metro-sexual' thing coming about. Men who care about their appearance and how people perceive them. As well as women being encouraged to take roles that have previously been extremely male dominated in the career world, such as physics, engineering, mechanics, so on so forth.
    Granted, some men do live up to their stereotype, getting with as many girls as possible, simply because they can. However some girls question why men treat them like doormats, with the answers being: Look at what you're wearing and how openly you advertise your.. Features, and the fact that some of them believe sexual relationships will blossom into true love, which happens.. But how often?
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    (Original post by Mockery)
    Aye, I agree your views to an extent, however I could argue that socialisation is a construct built upon the evolutionary traits existant between both genders. Also, at what point do these societal and behavioural pressures that have been moulded over such an extended period of time actually become so ingrained in our species that they become genuine 'gender roles' both physically and psychologically, and what suggests that that hasn't already come about?
    I suppose gender roles were based on evolutionary traits at some point. It probably made sense for a woman to stay at home with the baby when medical care was very poor and it took a long time to recover after childbirth. Similarly, men have more muscle mass (although this could have been enhanced by generations of muscular built men being biologically successful so passing on those genes) so they were better at physical labour. However, I think that all of this is becoming irrelevant and that can be shown by the number of people who feel comfortable stepping outside of their gender roles. It is still difficult to do, but as labour becomes less gender polarised I think gender distinctions will become useless.

    (Original post by AlexJWise)
    In my eyes, men have been seen in a whole different light with the 'metro-sexual' thing coming about. Men who care about their appearance and how people perceive them. As well as women being encouraged to take roles that have previously been extremely male dominated in the career world, such as physics, engineering, mechanics, so on so forth.
    Granted, some men do live up to their stereotype, getting with as many girls as possible, simply because they can. However some girls question why men treat them like doormats, with the answers being: Look at what you're wearing and how openly you advertise your.. Features, and the fact that some of them believe sexual relationships will blossom into true love, which happens.. But how often?
    Someone's clothing does not give anyone the excuse for treating someone else badly. And some relationships do start from one night stands - it just requires two partners who do not judge the other for enjoying casual sex (just like they do!).
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    (Original post by AlexJWise)
    Does this really make sense any more? Are men so bad? Or are women just attracting the wrong sort of men because of how they act or dress, without even knowing about it?
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    Men are great.

    Then again, I would say that being gay and predominantly homosocial.
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    (Original post by AlexJWise)
    This is something that women really enjoy saying when they have had a bit of bad luck with one guy, or have been rejected or something.
    "All guys are horrible, I'm turning lesbian!" most people have seen this type of thing, particularly on social networks such as Facebook, and Twitter, and Tumblr is rife with people who post content like this.

    But are we really that bad? Are we equal? Or are men actually better than women regarding relationships?
    Men are stereotyped as being very heartless, emotionless, aggressive and short tempered. Women are stereotyped as being all affectionate, loving, all for the family, obedient, so on so forth.

    Does this really make sense any more? Are men so bad? Or are women just attracting the wrong sort of men because of how they act or dress, without even knowing about it?
    Thoughts?
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    I'm not saying the clothing gives an excuse to treat people in a certain way, but when girls have their boobs out and add sexual comments, winks, and innuendos to their photos, THEN wonder why they attract a certain type of guy.. Well, enough said.
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    (Original post by AlexJWise)
    I'm not saying the clothing gives an excuse to treat people in a certain way, but when girls have their boobs out and add sexual comments, winks, and innuendos to their photos, THEN wonder why they attract a certain type of guy.. Well, enough said.
    You're not as wise as you say you are 'AlexJWise'
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    Some are, but so are some girls.

    most of the girls that complain about men are the ones that go for the "lads" rather than the nice guys.
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    Unfortunately the 'Wise' part is a reflection of my name, not my intelligence. I don't claim to be wise, I was just pointing out my views, and was interested in the views of others. Sorry if I have caused any offence to anybody regarding this topic.
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    (Original post by AlexJWise)
    Unfortunately the 'Wise' part is a reflection of my name, not my intelligence. I don't claim to be wise, I was just pointing out my views, and was interested in the views of others. Sorry if I have caused any offence to anybody regarding this topic.
    Yes, I am now offended. Please change your surname to 'Notsowise', maybe with a lower case 'n' for irony.
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    (Original post by AlexJWise)
    I'm not saying the clothing gives an excuse to treat people in a certain way, but when girls have their boobs out and add sexual comments, winks, and innuendos to their photos, THEN wonder why they attract a certain type of guy.. Well, enough said.
    Ah sorry, i forgot that it's up to us to dress and live modestly so scumbags don't hit on us :rolleyes:

    I wonder why some women have a low opinion of some men, eh.
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    It's not that men are bad, it is that girls like men to be bad, so choose bad men, who do bad things, then they blame all men, when if they had picked the good man instead of the bad man in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.

    A great bit of detective work for you there.

    Short of physical abuse or federal crimes, women deserve what they get if they choose to date so called 'bad boys' over nice guys.
 
 
 

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