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Hello guys,
can anyone that's been studying/currently studying Medicine tell me if the courses are significantly anatomical?
I'm considering working as a psychiatrist but in order to be good at something, you have to be "comfortable" with it and I am not very fond of surgeries etc.
Does medicine has extreme anatomical... details? :colondollar:

Thanks so much! Sorry for my ignorance :confused::confused:
Reply 1
Although I can't really speak for all med schools (as I only attend one), the general vibe I get is that there has been a recognition in the last 5-10 years or so of the importance of anatomy teaching, due to a general lack of anatomical knowledge from graduates coming out. So I'd say yes, the courses are all likely to be anatomy heavy (and rightly so), possibly even increasingly heavy in that regard.

You have to realise that with the system the way it is, you will have to spend a few years at least working in general medicine, and anatomy is much more relevant for psychiatry than you would think. The brain affects the whole body, so a psychiatrist will have to know the anatomy just as much as the next guy.
Reply 2
Original post by liberty_
Hello guys,
can anyone that's been studying/currently studying Medicine tell me if the courses are significantly anatomical?
I'm considering working as a psychiatrist but in order to be good at something, you have to be "comfortable" with it and I am not very fond of surgeries etc.
Does medicine has extreme anatomical... details? :colondollar:

Thanks so much! Sorry for my ignorance :confused::confused:


During the first two years of medicine you'll have a lot of anatomical theory thrown at you. Muscles, bones, nerves, organs, the whole deal. That's the gross anatomy. You'll also do some microanatomy too (so anatomy of cells, tissues, etc). Mostly, it's a case of rote memorising it. Anatomy is a fairly marmite subject in my experience, you certainly don't need to love the subject to be a good medical student or a good doctor.

Like anything else, the more you use it the better you retain it. I'm pretty certain most psychiatrists who are well into their career paths no longer have great recall of anatomical details the same way they might have done at med school. But then again, I'm sure most surgeons and radiologists are the same way about biochemistry or histopathology. It's just not relevant to their day to day jobs anymore.

However, before you arrive at the point when you specialise in psychiatry you need to get through five years of medical school and two years of foundation training, both of which will require you to know clinical anatomy which is relevant to medicine and surgery. There is no getting around that, you cannot study or practice medicine and be totally clueless about anatomy. Even something as simple as giving someone an injection to the upper arm can have bad consequences for the patient if you don't understand the anatomy of the region you're injecting into.

Long story short, you will not be expected to have the same level of anatomical knowledge as an anatomist or developmental biologist...but you clearly do need to know what you're doing.

I hope that clarifies matters for you. Ironically I made this post because I needed an excuse to procrastinate whilst doing...anatomy revision :awesome: :getmecoat:
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 3
Original post by liberty_
Hello guys,
can anyone that's been studying/currently studying Medicine tell me if the courses are significantly anatomical?
I'm considering working as a psychiatrist but in order to be good at something, you have to be "comfortable" with it and I am not very fond of surgeries etc.
Does medicine has extreme anatomical... details? :colondollar:

Thanks so much! Sorry for my ignorance :confused::confused:


It definitely varies by medical school. We do very little anatomy comparatively. Far from none clearly, but for example we can get away with answers like 'flexor compartment of the thigh' as opposed to actually having to know the names of muscles. It does get a little more detailed when you consider nerves, arteries, veins, organs, plus embryology and histology etc, but easily handleable i'd say.

Original post by tbag1
Although I can't really speak for all med schools (as I only attend one), the general vibe I get is that there has been a recognition in the last 5-10 years or so of the importance of anatomy teaching, due to a general lack of anatomical knowledge from graduates coming out.


That's interesting - my impression was the precise opposite :tongue: That unless you talk to the anatomy guys, the overall impression was that anatomy beyond the basics can be picked up when doing surgery, with little need before. Different approaches.
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 4
Original post by nexttime

That's interesting - my impression was the precise opposite :tongue: That unless you talk to the anatomy guys, the overall impression was that anatomy beyond the basics can be picked up when doing surgery, with little need before. Different approaches.


See, we have loads of surgical reg's in doing anatomy demonstrating because they weren't taught it well enough at Uni! Guess it just depends what Uni you go to!


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Tom
Reply 5
Original post by nexttime
for example we can get away with answers like 'flexor compartment of the thigh' as opposed to actually having to know the names of muscles.


I had a dream like that once. Then I woke up late to another 2 hour DR session on the muscles of the palm of the hand. :moon:
Reply 6
Original post by nexttime
It definitely varies by medical school. We do very little anatomy comparatively. Far from none clearly, but for example we can get away with answers like 'flexor compartment of the thigh' as opposed to actually having to know the names of muscles. It does get a little more detailed when you consider nerves, arteries, veins, organs, plus embryology and histology etc, but easily handleable i'd say.


No such luck here :frown:
Original post by Democracy

I hope that clarifies matters for you. Ironically I made this post because I needed an excuse to procrastinate whilst doing...anatomy revision :awesome: :getmecoat:


Spot test in less than 4 weeks and I still haven't revised any anatomy. D:
Reply 8
Original post by tbag1
Although I can't really speak for all med schools (as I only attend one), the general vibe I get is that there has been a recognition in the last 5-10 years or so of the importance of anatomy teaching, due to a general lack of anatomical knowledge from graduates coming out. So I'd say yes, the courses are all likely to be anatomy heavy (and rightly so), possibly even increasingly heavy in that regard.

You have to realise that with the system the way it is, you will have to spend a few years at least working in general medicine, and anatomy is much more relevant for psychiatry than you would think. The brain affects the whole body, so a psychiatrist will have to know the anatomy just as much as the next guy.


You are definitely right, and thanks for pointing it out to me. Thanks for the help :biggrin:
Reply 9
Original post by Democracy
During the first two years of medicine you'll have a lot of anatomical theory thrown at you. Muscles, bones, nerves, organs, the whole deal. That's the gross anatomy. You'll also do some microanatomy too (so anatomy of cells, tissues, etc). Mostly, it's a case of rote memorising it. Anatomy is a fairly marmite subject in my experience, you certainly don't need to love the subject to be a good medical student or a good doctor.

Like anything else, the more you use it the better you retain it. I'm pretty certain most psychiatrists who are well into their career paths no longer have great recall of anatomical details the same way they might have done at med school. But then again, I'm sure most surgeons and radiologists are the same way about biochemistry or histopathology. It's just not relevant to their day to day jobs anymore.

However, before you arrive at the point when you specialise in psychiatry you need to get through five years of medical school and two years of foundation training, both of which will require you to know clinical anatomy which is relevant to medicine and surgery. There is no getting around that, you cannot study or practice medicine and be totally clueless about anatomy. Even something as simple as giving someone an injection to the upper arm can have bad consequences for the patient if you don't understand the anatomy of the region you're injecting into.

Long story short, you will not be expected to have the same level of anatomical knowledge as an anatomist or developmental biologist...but you clearly do need to know what you're doing.

I hope that clarifies matters for you. Ironically I made this post because I needed an excuse to procrastinate whilst doing...anatomy revision :awesome: :getmecoat:


I really appreciate that you spent time to write such a guiding answer; thanks so much. I wish you good luck with your revision!
Also, do you apply your anatomical knowledge on practice to a great extent? Meaning, do you conduct many experiments that are related to such stuff? In my school, we dissected a cow's heart for example, and it was an interesting yet "weird" experience.
Reply 10
Original post by nexttime
It definitely varies by medical school. We do very little anatomy comparatively. Far from none clearly, but for example we can get away with answers like 'flexor compartment of the thigh' as opposed to actually having to know the names of muscles. It does get a little more detailed when you consider nerves, arteries, veins, organs, plus embryology and histology etc, but easily handleable i'd say.



That's interesting - my impression was the precise opposite :tongue: That unless you talk to the anatomy guys, the overall impression was that anatomy beyond the basics can be picked up when doing surgery, with little need before. Different approaches.



Thanks so much for your reply. I think that anatomy can be pretty interesting, although I have some issues regarding how close a student comes into this knowledge. Do you see the organs themselves, in laboratories or virtually, in great detail?
Reply 11
Original post by tbag1
See, we have loads of surgical reg's in doing anatomy demonstrating because they weren't taught it well enough at Uni! Guess it just depends what Uni you go to!


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Tom


Thanks! Which uni are you studying to? Surgery, that's one thing I could NEVER do!
Reply 12
Original post by liberty_
Thanks so much for your reply. I think that anatomy can be pretty interesting, although I have some issues regarding how close a student comes into this knowledge. Do you see the organs themselves, in laboratories or virtually, in great detail?


Erm, well i guess in literally microscopic detail yes. I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. The depth of knowledge is manageable. The methods of teaching include textbooks, dissection room teaching, taught living anatomy, lab work looking through microscopes, lectures and tutorials. Does that provide some answer?
Reply 13
Original post by nexttime
Erm, well i guess in literally microscopic detail yes. I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. The depth of knowledge is manageable. The methods of teaching include textbooks, dissection room teaching, taught living anatomy, lab work looking through microscopes, lectures and tutorials. Does that provide some answer?


Truth is I put it in a quite confusing way, but you managed to provide me with a pretty useful answer.
To be honest I am making this question because I do not have a strong stomach; it is not that I am not disgusted, it's only that I'm not enthusiastic about dissecting stuff in laboratories and such medical stuff that I've heard about.
This is my preoccupation because I think that in order to be genuinely devoted to what you do you should not be vexed by such details that may arise. So I would like to be prepared about the stuff being done outside of theoretical textbooks :smile:
Original post by liberty_
I really appreciate that you spent time to write such a guiding answer; thanks so much. I wish you good luck with your revision!
Also, do you apply your anatomical knowledge on practice to a great extent?


You mean as a doctor? Yes certainly, though to varying degrees: a psychiatrist will have far less need for anatomical expertise than a surgeon.

As a pre-clinical student? It's more about knowing what to learn to do well in exams.

Meaning, do you conduct many experiments that are related to such stuff? In my school, we dissected a cow's heart for example, and it was an interesting yet "weird" experience.


Not experiments as such, but yes, lots of med schools use dissections or prosections to teach anatomy in a practical way :smile:
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 15
Original post by liberty_
Thanks! Which uni are you studying to? Surgery, that's one thing I could NEVER do!


I'm at Queens, Belfast


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Reply 16
Original post by liberty_
Truth is I put it in a quite confusing way, but you managed to provide me with a pretty useful answer.
To be honest I am making this question because I do not have a strong stomach; it is not that I am not disgusted, it's only that I'm not enthusiastic about dissecting stuff in laboratories and such medical stuff that I've heard about.
This is my preoccupation because I think that in order to be genuinely devoted to what you do you should not be vexed by such details that may arise. So I would like to be prepared about the stuff being done outside of theoretical textbooks :smile:


Is English your first language? You use it in a very strange, sometimes incorrect way.

So you're basically saying you're a tad squeamish. Well, you will have to deal with human remains at every school i believe as part of anatomy teaching, be it dissection (cutting up a body yourself) or prosection (pre-prepared specimens e.g. arms, heads etc). You will need to deal with photos of surgery and significant wounds, plus being in surgery itself is pretty much compulsory at least a couple of times. You will need to be able to put needles into people, and deal with cuts and wounds you come across on the wards or in A&E. You also have to deal with things like performing rectal and vaginal exams, and the fact that some patients will just have terrible personal hygiene!

All of that becomes very normal and routine after you've done 1 though really. A lot of med students are very gung-ho about seeing blood etc, but some aren't and they cope just fine. Rarely, fainting in theatre becomes a problem which may limit certain career choices i.e. surgery, but i only know of 1 person to whom that applies and they clearly have almost every other speciality open to them still.

Blood and guts is something you will have to deal with, but it is not a reason to change your entire career path really.

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