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    Is anybody doing the american west in history. If so are you doing the law and order coursework which consists of 3 questions. I am stuck on question 2 which is "Why was the west such a violent and lawless place?" I hab=ve done most of it but was wondering if putting there were a lot of criminals and outlaws as a reason was ok! Thanks in advance!
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    (Original post by courtyboy02)
    Is anybody doing the american west in history. If so are you doing the law and order coursework which consists of 3 questions. I am stuck on question 2 which is "Why was the west such a violent and lawless place?" I hab=ve done most of it but was wondering if putting there were a lot of criminals and outlaws as a reason was ok! Thanks in advance!

    Well there are lots and lots of reasons why. Of course there are a lot of criminals (although if there were little laws then they technically weren't) so I wouldn't bother including this as it sort of is obvious and doesn't explain why it was a violent place.

    What other points do you have?
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    Well there are lots and lots of reasons why. Of course there are a lot of criminals (although if there were little laws then they technically weren't) so I wouldn't bother including this as it sort of is obvious and doesn't explain why it was a violent place.

    What other points do you have?
    Economic Factors
    Social Factors
    Political Factors
    Values and attitudes- It was right to carry a gun
    Existence of unofficial law and order
    Geographical Factors
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    (Original post by courtyboy02)
    Is anybody doing the american west in history. If so are you doing the law and order coursework which consists of 3 questions. I am stuck on question 2 which is "Why was the west such a violent and lawless place?" I hab=ve done most of it but was wondering if putting there were a lot of criminals and outlaws as a reason was ok! Thanks in advance!
    As I awoke this evening with the smell of wood smoke clinging
    Like a gentle cobweb hanging upon a painted tepee
    Oh I went to see my chieftain with my warlance and my woman
    For he told us that the yellow moon would very soon be leaving
    This I can't believe I said, I can't believe our warlord's dead
    Oh he would not leave the chosen ones to the buzzards and the soldiers guns

    Oh great father of the Iroquois ever since I was young
    I've read the writing of the smoke and breast fed on the sound of drums
    I've learned to hurl the tomahawk and ride a painted pony wild
    To run the gauntlet of the Sioux, to make a chieftain's daughter mine

    And now you ask that I should watch
    The red man's race be slowly crushed
    What kind of words are these to hear
    From Yellow Dog whom white man fears

    I take only what is mine Lord, my pony, my squaw, and my child
    I can't stay to see you die along with my tribe's pride
    I go to search for the yellow moon and the fathers of our sons
    Where the red sun sinks in the hills of gold and the healing waters run

    Trampling down the prairie rose leaving hoof tracks in the sand
    Those who wish to follow me I welcome with my hands
    I heard from passing renegades Geronimo was dead
    He'd been laying down his weapons when they filled him full of lead

    Now there seems no reason why I should carry on
    In this land that once was my land I can't find a home
    It's lonely and it's quiet and the horse soldiers are coming
    And I think it's time I strung my bow and ceased my senseless running
    For soon I'll find the yellow moon along with my loved ones
    Where the buffalos graze in clover fields without the sound of guns

    And the red sun sinks at last into the hills of gold
    And peace to this young warrior comes with a bullet hole
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    As I awoke this evening with the smell of wood smoke clinging
    Like a gentle cobweb hanging upon a painted tepee
    Oh I went to see my chieftain with my warlance and my woman
    For he told us that the yellow moon would very soon be leaving
    This I can't believe I said, I can't believe our warlord's dead
    Oh he would not leave the chosen ones to the buzzards and the soldiers guns

    Oh great father of the Iroquois ever since I was young
    I've read the writing of the smoke and breast fed on the sound of drums
    I've learned to hurl the tomahawk and ride a painted pony wild
    To run the gauntlet of the Sioux, to make a chieftain's daughter mine

    And now you ask that I should watch
    The red man's race be slowly crushed
    What kind of words are these to hear
    From Yellow Dog whom white man fears

    I take only what is mine Lord, my pony, my squaw, and my child
    I can't stay to see you die along with my tribe's pride
    I go to search for the yellow moon and the fathers of our sons
    Where the red sun sinks in the hills of gold and the healing waters run

    Trampling down the prairie rose leaving hoof tracks in the sand
    Those who wish to follow me I welcome with my hands
    I heard from passing renegades Geronimo was dead
    He'd been laying down his weapons when they filled him full of lead

    Now there seems no reason why I should carry on
    In this land that once was my land I can't find a home
    It's lonely and it's quiet and the horse soldiers are coming
    And I think it's time I strung my bow and ceased my senseless running
    For soon I'll find the yellow moon along with my loved ones
    Where the buffalos graze in clover fields without the sound of guns

    And the red sun sinks at last into the hills of gold
    And peace to this young warrior comes with a bullet hole
    Where do you find these things?
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    (Original post by courtyboy02)
    Economic Factors
    Social Factors
    Political Factors
    Values and attitudes- It was right to carry a gun
    Existence of unofficial law and order
    Geographical Factors
    Well if you've included all these then you will have done a good job.

    You probably know about this site already, but if you don't then...:
    http://www.schoolhistory.co.uk/revision/west.shtml
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    Where do you find these things?
    I dont, I know them. They are Bernie Taupin Lyrics. He had an obsession with the American West.

    Heres another:

    Soon the pines will be falling everywhere
    Village children fight each other for a share
    And the 6:09 goes roaring past the creek
    Deacon Lee prepares his sermon for next week

    I saw grandma yesterday down at the store
    Well she's really going fine for eighty four
    Well she asked me if sometime I'd fix her barn
    Poor old girl she needs a hand to run the farm

    And it's good old country comfort in my bones
    Just the sweetest sound my ears have ever known
    Just an old-fashioned feeling fully-grown
    Country comfort's in a truck that's going home

    Down at the well they've got a new machine
    The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen
    Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say
    You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day

    Now the old fat goose is flying cross the sticks
    The hedgehog's done in clay between the bricks
    And the rocking chair's creaking on the porch
    Across the valley moves the herdsman with his torch
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    This one is about how the Indians saw the white settlers and their religion(a mission is a sort of church) :

    You tell me there's an angel in your tree
    Did he say he'd come to call on me
    For things are getting desperate in our home
    Living in the parish of the restless folks I know

    Everybody now bring your family down to the riverside
    Look to the east to see where the fat stock hide
    Behind four walls of stone the rich man sleeps
    It's time we put the flame torch to their keep

    Burn down the mission
    If we're gonna stay alive
    Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
    See the red flame light the sky

    Burn down the mission
    Burn it down to stay alive
    It's our only chance of living
    Take all you need to live inside

    Deep in the woods the squirrels are out today
    My wife cried when they came to take me away
    But what more could I do just to keep her warm
    Than burn burn burn burn down the mission walls
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    I dont, I know them. They are Bernie Taupin Lyrics. He had an obsession with the American West.

    Heres another:

    Soon the pines will be falling everywhere
    Village children fight each other for a share
    And the 6:09 goes roaring past the creek
    Deacon Lee prepares his sermon for next week

    I saw grandma yesterday down at the store
    Well she's really going fine for eighty four
    Well she asked me if sometime I'd fix her barn
    Poor old girl she needs a hand to run the farm

    And it's good old country comfort in my bones
    Just the sweetest sound my ears have ever known
    Just an old-fashioned feeling fully-grown
    Country comfort's in a truck that's going home

    Down at the well they've got a new machine
    The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen
    Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say
    You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day

    Now the old fat goose is flying cross the sticks
    The hedgehog's done in clay between the bricks
    And the rocking chair's creaking on the porch
    Across the valley moves the herdsman with his torch
    LOL, he should put it in his coursework I've got no idea who Bernie Taupin is, before my time
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    This one is very clever. Robert Ford is the man who betrayed Jesse James by killing him for a bounty. Its a love song about breaking up with your gf.

    Like a corn in a field I cut you down
    I threw the last punch too hard
    After years of going steady, well I thought that it was time
    To throw in my hand for a new set of cards

    And I can't take you dancing out on the weekend
    I figured we'd painted too much of this town
    And I tried not to look as I walked to my wagon
    And I knew then I had lost what should have been found
    I knew then I had lost what should have been found

    And I feel like a bullet in the gun of Robert Ford
    I'm low as a paid assassin is
    You know I'm cold as a hired sword
    I'm so ashamed can't we patch it up
    You know I can't think straight no more
    You make me feel like a bullet honey in the gun of Robert Ford

    Like a child when his toys have been stepped on
    That's how it all seemed to me
    I burst the bubble that both of us lived in
    And I'm damned if I'll ever get rid of this guilt that I feel

    And if looks could kill then I'd be a dead man
    Your friends and mine don't call no more
    Hell, I thought it was best but now I feel branded
    Breaking up's sometimes like breaking the law
    Breaking up's sometimes like breaking the law
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    This one is very clever. Robert Ford is the man who betrayed Jesse James by killing him for a bounty. Its a love song about breaking up with your gf.

    Like a corn in a field I cut you down
    I threw the last punch too hard
    After years of going steady, well I thought that it was time
    To throw in my hand for a new set of cards

    And I can't take you dancing out on the weekend
    I figured we'd painted too much of this town
    And I tried not to look as I walked to my wagon
    And I knew then I had lost what should have been found
    I knew then I had lost what should have been found

    And I feel like a bullet in the gun of Robert Ford
    I'm low as a paid assassin is
    You know I'm cold as a hired sword
    I'm so ashamed can't we patch it up
    You know I can't think straight no more
    You make me feel like a bullet honey in the gun of Robert Ford

    Like a child when his toys have been stepped on
    That's how it all seemed to me
    I burst the bubble that both of us lived in
    And I'm damned if I'll ever get rid of this guilt that I feel

    And if looks could kill then I'd be a dead man
    Your friends and mine don't call no more
    Hell, I thought it was best but now I feel branded
    Breaking up's sometimes like breaking the law
    Breaking up's sometimes like breaking the law
    Ooh I like that one, it's like a poem and a good one at that. Like it
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    LOL, he should put it in his coursework I've got no idea who Bernie Taupin is, before my time
    Before my time too. He writes Elton Johns lyrics. The above lyrics are from an era when Elton was a serious artist and not the pop annoyance he is today. He was quite frankly amazing when he was 22-27 but you wont have heard any of the songs, as I just proved.
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    Before my time too. He writes Elton Johns lyrics. The above lyrics are from an era when Elton was a serious artist and not the pop annoyance he is today. He was quite frankly amazing when he was 22-27 but you wont have heard any of the songs, as I just proved.
    Those lyrics are really cool Elton John amazing? Wow I don't listen to people like him, I'm into my 60/80/90's popular rock/pop music
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    Ooh I like that one, it's like a poem and a good one at that. Like it

    This one lyrically is just beautiful and the song is every bit as good with a great orchestral arrangement. Its about Bernie when he was a baby himself in the eyes of a baby, and finding out he has a new brother:

    Peering out of tiny eyes
    The grubby hands that gripped the rail
    Wiped the window clean of frost
    As the morning air laid on the latch

    A whistle awakened someone there
    Next door to the nursery just down the hall
    A strange new sound you never heard before
    A strange new sound that makes boys explore

    Tread neat so small those little feet
    Amid the morning his small heart beats
    So much excitement yesterday
    That must be rewarded must be displayed

    Large hands lift him through the air
    Excited eyes contain him there
    The eyes of those he loves and knows
    But what's this extra bed just here

    His puzzled head tipped to one side
    Amazement swims in those bright green eyes
    Glancing down upon this thing
    That make strange sounds, strange sounds that sing

    In those silent happy seconds
    That surround the sound of this event
    A parent smile is made in moments
    They have made for you a friend

    And all you ever learned from them
    Until you grew much older
    Did not compare with when they said
    This is your brand new brother
    This is your brand new brother
    This is your brand new brother
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    This one lyrically is just beautiful and the song is every bit as good with a great orchestral arrangement. Its about Bernie when he was a baby himself in the eyes of a baby, and finding out he has a new brother:

    Peering out of tiny eyes
    The grubby hands that gripped the rail
    Wiped the window clean of frost
    As the morning air laid on the latch

    A whistle awakened someone there
    Next door to the nursery just down the hall
    A strange new sound you never heard before
    A strange new sound that makes boys explore

    Tread neat so small those little feet
    Amid the morning his small heart beats
    So much excitement yesterday
    That must be rewarded must be displayed

    Large hands lift him through the air
    Excited eyes contain him there
    The eyes of those he loves and knows
    But what's this extra bed just here

    His puzzled head tipped to one side
    Amazement swims in those bright green eyes
    Glancing down upon this thing
    That make strange sounds, strange sounds that sing

    In those silent happy seconds
    That surround the sound of this event
    A parent smile is made in moments
    They have made for you a friend

    And all you ever learned from them
    Until you grew much older
    Did not compare with when they said
    This is your brand new brother
    This is your brand new brother
    This is your brand new brother
    Wow! This is really good stuff, it's the stuff I like to read and write. Truely excellent.
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    Those lyrics are really cool Elton John amazing? Wow I don't listen to people like him, I'm into my 60/80/90's popular rock/pop music

    Lol. Strange you miss out the 70's, its recognised as the best ever era for contempory rock music.

    Yes believe it or not Elton John is classical trained. SOme of those lyrics are off what some people belive to be some of the greatest albums ever, namely Tumbleweed Conncetion and Madman Across the Water. You just wont heard of any of them due to like I said the stigma of his 'pop' career that followed. But to be fair it was 'pop elton' which made him worth over 200 million today, so its fair enough he went down that route I guess.
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    Wow! This is really good stuff, it's the stuff I like to read and write. Truely excellent.
    http://www.eltonography.com/albums/index.html

    Look mainly between 70-75

    Anything after 76 is just a disgrace to be honest with a few exceptions.

    It is obvious when you get into pop elton. Just look at the cover sleeves of the albums.
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    Lol. Strange you miss out the 70's, its recognised as the best ever era for contempory rock music.

    Yes believe it or not Elton John is classical trained. SOme of those lyrics are off what some people belive to be some of the greatest albums ever, namely Tumbleweed Conncetion and Madman Across the Water. You just wont heard of any of them due to like I said the stigma of his 'pop' career that followed. But to be fair it was 'pop elton' which made him worth over 200 million today, so its fair enough he went down that route I guess.
    Yup it is. I used to listen to 60's a lot when I was younger, my sister loves the 1980's and I love the 90's. And my dad listens to 70's rock on his own

    I'll see if my dad has any old Elton John stuff he can dig out for me and I shall have a listen.
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    http://www.eltonography.com/albums/index.html

    Look mainly between 70-75

    Anything after 76 is just a disgrace to be honest with a few exceptions.

    It is obvious when you get into pop elton. Just look at the cover sleeves of the albums.
    "Are you read for love" = A complete joke! But I did like that train song. Oooh and that site shows he did a duet with Mary J. Blige. Hmm cool.
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    (Original post by happysunshine)
    Yup it is. I used to listen to 60's a lot when I was younger, my sister loves the 1980's and I love the 90's. And my dad listens to 70's rock on his own

    I'll see if my dad has any old Elton John stuff he can dig out for me and I shall have a listen.

    Good for you He probably will if he is the 'right' age. Most people seem to have Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, which is a mish mash of pop and semi pop good songs.

    If he has got any, listen to Bob Dylan and Randy Newman too, they are also excellent lyrically and musically.
 
 
 
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