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    ok next week i have to debate the differences between terrorists and freedom fighters. if you think they are the same then that doesnt help since i only want differences in order to win the debate. if you know of any famously freedom fighters/terrorists i would like to hear about them or if you know of a good definition of either term, or think you can distingust between the two. i will give rep to anyone who makes the effort to provide serioous help!
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    Its all about what point of view you see it from really, as someone once said, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"...

    I would personally say that the Palestinians are 'freedom fighters' as opposed to 'terrorists' as i feel their cause is justified, but maybe others wouldnt as they would feel their cause wasnt justified, or maybe their cause is but not their means...

    At the end of the day it comes down to your own view of the situation, do you feel that the goal of the terrorists is a reasonable one? Do they feel the method they use in order to achieve it is justifiable?

    Based on these questions i feel that Al-Qaeda are terrorists, as they aim to inflict maximum casualties on a civilian population without (in my view) any justifiable reason. But then i am neither a muslim, nor particularly extreme in my views, so again it comes down to my point of view...

    I can feel sympathy for organisations such as the as Palestinians, Chechens or ETA as i feel their causes are more justified. The Palestinians and Chechens are both faced with a struggle for their homeland against foreign occupational forces who are both extremely unreasonable and unwilling to make any sort of deal. ETA i feel less sympathy for as their goal is not in my opinion one that requires terrorist methods, but their attacks tend to be very targetted with few civilian casualties, so i feel some sympathy for their cause...

    In order to decide whether a group are freedom fighters or terrorists, you must consider what the group is fighting for and if it is in your opinion a justifiable cause vs the methods used by the group.

    When it comes to deciding which groups are classified as 'terrorists' in the world of politics however, the definition appears a great deal looser than that which i personally would use to decide whether or not a group is considered 'terrorist'...
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    ok firstly thanks for replying.
    (Original post by Funky Phantom)
    "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"...
    this is the exact thing i have got to disprove, so although your views are helpful and i personally agree with alot of them! i have got to argue there is a difference.
    you said "a justifiable cause"
    what is that to u?
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    what you guys are basically telling me is that i have lost this debate?
    do u think you could say that freedom fighters are people who dont use violence and that terrorist do?

    do u think there is any sort of terms that universially justifiable as "just" in terms of political goals - ie right to freedom of free speech without persecution, right to representation ect?
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    freedom fighter: supports cause and aims to inflict minimum casualties, also respects human rights (treatment of prisoners etc.)

    terrorist: supports cause and aims to inflict maximum casualties, disrespects human rights
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    Note that a Freedom Fighter does not have to use violent means to further their cause. That depends on your own classification of 'freedom fighter', though.

    You could have called Gandhi a freedom fighter... even though he was totally against violence.
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    (Original post by riffraff)
    freedom fighter: supports cause and aims to inflict minimum casualties, also respects human rights (treatment of prisoners etc.)

    terrorist: supports cause and aims to inflict maximum casualties, disrespects human rights
    Surely the term "terrorist" is always coined when violent acts are involved, thus making the definition void.
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    i dont see Hamas etc who attack civilian targets as freedom fighters...i understand their cause, but they aren't freedom fighters
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    (Original post by Bigcnee)
    Surely the term "terrorist" is always coined when violent acts are involved, thus making the definition void.
    I agree, whenever someone dies as a result of a 'freedom fighter' group, the group seems to immediately become terrorist, regardless of the number\nature of casualties involved...
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    ok next week i have to debate the differences between terrorists and freedom fighters. if you think they are the same then that doesnt help since i only want differences in order to win the debate. if you know of any famously freedom fighters/terrorists i would like to hear about them or if you know of a good definition of either term, or think you can distingust between the two. i will give rep to anyone who makes the effort to provide serioous help!
    The main difference is the targets. Freedom fighters typically target official institutions or military targets whereas terrorists tend to atack civilian targets in the hope of promoting chaos.
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    I think there is a very clear argument saying there is a difference and that is that "freedom fighters" in my view normally want freedom from some sort of opression eg the palistinians. They are being targeted and are just trying to gain their freedom and inderpendance. However terrorists are normally not fighting for freedom like Al-Qaeda who are trying to promote Islam as the one true way and see the western world as "evil". They are not so much being oppressed as trying to fight a war. I personally think that they are different. I basically believe that a terrorist is someone who comits an act without reasonable provication but a freedom fighter has been provoked and has a therefor just reason. Hope that made sense :confused:
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I think there is a very clear argument saying there is a difference and that is that "freedom fighters" in my view normally want freedom from some sort of opression eg the palistinians. They are being targeted and are just trying to gain their freedom and inderpendance. However terrorists are normally not fighting for freedom like Al-Qaeda who are trying to promote Islam as the one true way and see the western world as "evil". They are not so much being oppressed as trying to fight a war. I personally think that they are different. I basically believe that a terrorist is someone who comits an act without reasonable provication but a freedom fighter has been provoked and has a therefor just reason. Hope that made sense
    cheers i see your agruement however the problem i have is how defines what is justified, i mean the other side is just going to say to me that al queda cause is just as justified as the palestians, its just subjective and we dont happen as westerns to appreciate it. which means they would be freedom fighters fighting american oppression
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    The only thing that I can suggest you say is that justified is where their people are being threatend or hurt in some way at the time like the isralies killing civilians in palistine. In al-qaeda the Islamic world wasn't under instant threat from the west until 9/11 they aren't defending themselves they are attacking. Also they aren't actually under the authority of the nations they are fighting so how can they need to be free from them :confused:
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    i managed to win in the end so its ok
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    ok next week i have to debate the differences between terrorists and freedom fighters. if you think they are the same then that doesnt help since i only want differences in order to win the debate. if you know of any famously freedom fighters/terrorists i would like to hear about them or if you know of a good definition of either term, or think you can distingust between the two. i will give rep to anyone who makes the effort to provide serioous help!
    I'm not gonna say anything about that, I'm spanish, from Madrid, as you all know something terrible happened the 11th of this month. i got my best friend nearly dead in a f**** train station and all because the stupid and now over popular party wanted to help evil Bush and thats what we get.... anyways, if you would like to hear about ETA send me a private, it might be a good one for your thing.
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    (Original post by _meiko_)
    I'm not gonna say anything about that, I'm spanish, from Madrid, as you all know something terrible happened the 11th of this month. i got my best friend nearly dead in a f**** train station and all because the stupid and now over popular party wanted to help evil Bush and thats what we get.... anyways, if you would like to hear about ETA send me a private, it might be a good one for your thing.
    I don't get how people can think this. Why don't you blame the fundamentalist crazy muslims for what happened? voting the popular party out isn't going to make them go away they don't care about that they just wanna kill the "infidels". Bush may be stupid but whats worse is giving into what those terrorists want.
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    I don't get how people can think this. Why don't you blame the fundamentalist crazy muslims for what happened? voting the popular party out isn't going to make them go away they don't care about that they just wanna kill the "infidels". Bush may be stupid but whats worse is giving into what those terrorists want.
    well, if 90% of the population didnt agree to help in the war and the president didnt even wait for the king to say the last word about it, i think is mostly his fault and he should pay for the consequences, not just students and workers that had to take that train, and of course i blame alquaeda but i cant help but feel like this
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    (Original post by _meiko_)
    well, if 90% of the population didnt agree to help in the war and the president didnt even wait for the king to say the last word about it, i think is mostly his fault and he should pay for the consequences, not just students and workers that had to take that train, and of course i blame alquaeda but i cant help but feel like this
    It's not because you supported the war its because spain isnt a muslim country
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    It's not because you supported the war its because spain isnt a muslim country
    no, its because spain didnt pull the troops out of irak, when the socialist won, thats the first thing they did, to send them back home, and just the day after, alquaeda sent a letter saying that there will be no more terrorism in spain coming from them coz they pulled the troops out, but now i'm all worried coz i live in dublin and bush is coming in june with 700 men force, missiles "to protect himself", 3 helicopters and even a submarine, i live just beside the castle where he'll stay, and i heard that the last time when Clinton was here there were snippers all around the place, i dont think you can feel confortable watching a snipper from your window...
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    (Original post by _meiko_)
    no, its because spain didnt pull the troops out of irak, when the socialist won, thats the first thing they did, to send them back home, and just the day after, alquaeda sent a letter saying that there will be no more terrorism in spain coming from them coz they pulled the troops out, but now i'm all worried coz i live in dublin and bush is coming in june with 700 men force, missiles "to protect himself", 3 helicopters and even a submarine, i live just beside the castle where he'll stay, and i heard that the last time when Clinton was here there were snippers all around the place, i dont think you can feel confortable watching a snipper from your window...
    HAHAH you believe that letter? ya right, they will strike again and again until they have destroyed the west and our way of life. I would rather see a sniper in the window then a bomb blast killing the president and starting ww3.
 
 
 
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