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    I was thinking the other day why there has been a rise in right wing parties such as Ukip, BNP etc since the recession but not a widespread movement of left wing/Marxist parties. This to me seems quite odd as times of economic hardship in history has seen the emergence of left wing parties but the UK has not seen this happen. The only real party that stands out to have gained any support is the Green Party which gained its first MP in 2010 and to a lesser extent Respect.
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    Leftist parties tend to need higher taxes, which isn't something that very many people like paying. I think they're also seen as incapable of running an economy, which is probably thanks to Labour of the 70s. Alongside these they're very much seen as single issue parties who don't really have much of a plan. The green party just wants to put wind farms everywhere etc. etc.

    UKIP and BNP play on people's fears of immigration and how that's harming the country. They tend to target people who look back 30 years and think, 'life was better then.' As a forward thinking party of the future, which (I guess) all left wing parties attempt to be, they can't exactly hark back to golden times.
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    This always happens in major economic crises. We saw it, most obviously, with fascism, and then with the rise of Thatcher in the 1970s.

    It comes from a climate of pragmatism. People can bleat in the good times about taking money/power off the ruling elites, but when the bad times come people are scared, and they feel they need that money/power now and don't have time to worry about who they're taking it off. So naturally the people choose to disenfranchise certain groups which are easier targets and can be fleeced within the confines of the existing system. Whether it's Jews, the disabled, the unemployable or the immigrants.
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    There hasn't really been a rise of right wing parties in the way you are describing. The BNP are left wing authoritarians for a start and really aren't making any progress in elections, and UKIP are mopping up because the Lib Dems have lost the traditional protest vote now they are actually a party of government, and UKIP are also feeding on anti EU hysteria and using them as scapegoats in the current austerity/Euro zone crisis climate. Their popularity has little bearing to their economic policies.
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    besides, most left wing people - are actually quite happy, and society largely caters for what they want.

    I dont blame the right for being angry, if I shared their views, so would I! But as someone who falls on the left of the spectrum, by and large my ideals are being met, (not entierly, by any means.. but enough to make me happy)

    You wonder why the left dont rise up, why the 'conservative' party, are bringing through one of the biggest equality bills in recent times? (Equal marriage)
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    I believe that it is largely down to the right-wing neoliberal bias in the media really.
    With the Murdoch empire skewing a large proportion of public debate towards issues such as Europe and benefits continuously as if they are the source of all the problems within the UK, it is hard for true left-wing parties to break through.

    There is the Socialist Workers' Party but that has been recently undermined and discredited extensively due to the covering up of a rape allegation against one of the party's elite members whilst the Greens had been making just as much head-way as UKIP until v. recently (they talk of UKIP receiving 50-100 councillors or whatever but the Greens had 150 even before this election) just without such strong media coverage, even the Guardian is not a truly left-wing paper; much more centre-left if anything.

    Also add to the fact that people are genuinely concerned about immigration and they view that as being a key UKIP policy, and Nigel Farage is hugely charismatic and always seems to have a pint in his hand (bizarrely) - he's just resonates more with the general non-Metropolitan public than the Westminster elite and the new Green leader whose name I don't even know she's so dull (though Caroline Lucas is great and have no idea why she's no longer leader).

    Sorry for babbling on, that's just my perspective on it anyway.
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    People are sensible


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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    People are sensible and btw the bnp are NATIONAL SOCIALISTS so they are left wing


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    Not this argument again
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    Consumerism has destroyed a genuine interest into political ideology and policy. Apathy is incredibly worrying; that by-election in South Shields had a turnout of only 39%. Shocking.

    As one of the posters have said, the right-wing media bias is very powerful and potent in our society today. We are becoming less and less involved in our democracy, which makes it very difficult for such a collective leftist movement to take place. Frankly, most people aren't bothered any more.

    As Ken Loach said: "We're still hearing the words reform and modernisation when what we really mean is privatisation and public greed"
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    (Original post by silver*linings)
    I believe that it is largely down to the right-wing neoliberal bias in the media really.
    With the Murdoch empire skewing a large proportion of public debate towards issues such as Europe and benefits continuously as if they are the source of all the problems within the UK, it is hard for true left-wing parties to break through.

    There is the Socialist Workers' Party but that has been recently undermined and discredited extensively due to the covering up of a rape allegation against one of the party's elite members whilst the Greens had been making just as much head-way as UKIP until v. recently (they talk of UKIP receiving 50-100 councillors or whatever but the Greens had 150 even before this election) just without such strong media coverage, even the Guardian is not a truly left-wing paper; much more centre-left if anything.

    Also add to the fact that people are genuinely concerned about immigration and they view that as being a key UKIP policy, and Nigel Farage is hugely charismatic and always seems to have a pint in his hand (bizarrely) - he's just resonates more with the general non-Metropolitan public than the Westminster elite and the new Green leader whose name I don't even know she's so dull (though Caroline Lucas is great and have no idea why she's no longer leader).

    Sorry for babbling on, that's just my perspective on it anyway.
    I agree with a lot you have said, the media is terribly bias. I don't think the Socialist Workers Party is a good example though, its a fairly old party and has never really been a viable option with many splits within it.

    The thing is there is nothing stopping a left leaning party from being anti-EU and anti immigration, it could have similar views but being on the opposite spectrum with different ways of dealing with it. (I wouldn't support this though). I agree Nigel Farage is very charismatic its very easy to get caught up in his agenda, as to your point that he always has a pint in his hand its no suprise its openly known he's an alcoholic

    I do feel that the Green Party has had a hard time, it is far from a one issue party. They do seem to have a severe lack of media attention and have somewhat fallen apart since the last election.
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    The suprise failure of eastern european communism really knocked the stuffing out of the idea of marxism as an idea people think is worth giving a go.

    Otoh Euro fascists just think they were unlucky in ww2 I guess.
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    Quite simply because the default position of England for the past 35 years has being right of center and the left wing regions like Scotland and Wales are sparsely populated in comparison.

    There's also the fact that as Labour was in a state of collapse in the 1980's support for the Greens grew a fair bit but Blair pulled them back, had these people have betrayed Labour for the Greens you may have a viable left.
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    I think it's generally because people want to get on with their lives and aren't actually that interested in being governed; which is typically what the 'left' (such a 1 dimensional term, but I'll assume you mean progressive social democrats) specialise in.

    I think the public are beginning to realise that we were ushered into a depression through governance and very few people believe that we can be governed out of it.

    People are generally very good at being economic actors. We are a brilliant species in that we utilise resources in a incredible ways (what economists might call 'growth') with very little central guidance and generally are pretty good at getting on with living and doing things. Free the people/markets from cronyism/protectionism and let us do what we do best as a species, live.
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    Because Communism is flawed. The only way forward is capitalism
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    Some of the other posts in this thread cover the bulk of it very well (fear of taxes, media bias, etc.). As far as the radical left wing goes I think most people recognise it's not workable with our society.

    The main thing I would add is weak leadership. Cameron outpolls his party. Farage outright carries his party. They are both clearly strong leaders, Farage in particular has a sense of humour and people feel they can relate to him. The consensus around the Lib Dems, Labour and Greens is that they all have weak leadership.

    UKIP would be nothing without Farage. Natalie Bennett would be nothing without the Green Party. It makes a big difference.
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    Not this argument again
    Not that I care what they are as they are a horrible party

    As I said left wing hasn't emerged as people are sensible


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    (Original post by kwik-silva)
    Leftist parties tend to need higher taxes, which isn't something that very many people like paying. I think they're also seen as incapable of running an economy, which is probably thanks to Labour of the 70s. Alongside these they're very much seen as single issue parties who don't really have much of a plan. The green party just wants to put wind farms everywhere etc. etc.

    UKIP and BNP play on people's fears of immigration and how that's harming the country. They tend to target people who look back 30 years and think, 'life was better then.' As a forward thinking party of the future, which (I guess) all left wing parties attempt to be, they can't exactly hark back to golden times.

    I think framing Labour as "One Nation" and also the earlier use of the term "British jobs for British workers" were more less doing that. The UK just is more divided now. There is no class mobility, if you're poor and white then you are a "chav" and are widely loathed and pushed into a corner with nowhere to go. The Eastern Europeans have come in so many all at once that no real integration has taken place, they just have Polish neighbourhoods They're ok though and actually get on with English people a lot better than Black and Pakistani people have done at the worst times. The Pakistanis are suffering from how Islamism has become fashionable and at the same time hated by a lot of white men. Middle class liberals are becoming hate for being effete and detached. You have all of those groups in every city. Most English people seem to wish it was more united. I don't think there's really an answer. Mass immigration happened, that was it. I don't see there being an answer. Even if they raised the drawbridge and sent Jack Straw quivering in terror at the prospect of another holocaust, Britain wouldn't suddenly become more united.

    I don't know what the answer is really. Probably not UKIP but then again not the usual centre left, pretentious poofs either.
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    (Original post by kwik-silva)
    UKIP and BNP play on people's fears of immigration and how that's harming the country. They tend to target people who look back 30 years and think, 'life was better then.' As a forward thinking party of the future, which (I guess) all left wing parties attempt to be, they can't exactly hark back to golden times.
    Do you realise how utterly stupid and patronising your post is?
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    They are seen as incompetent mainly due to Labour governments of the past.

    Plus, welfare state has deadened the revolutionary/leftist spirit of the working and middle class man, while the proleteriat is no more.
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    Because after 13 years of ruinous Labour government the public have understandably decided that the left only have misery, mass immigration and bankruptcy on offer.

    A hardcore leftist/statist government now would finish this country off, thankfully there's no appetite for that sort of thing any longer.
 
 
 
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