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Applying to both?

Oh God, I am so scared of being stupid and obvious. Please don't yell at me, you're all so intimidating. I really did try everything to find the answer before posting this!

But I really want to know, and I've been confused out of my mind. Can I, as a EU student (Belgium, to be precise), apply to both Oxford and Cambridge? I'd be applying for English, but I don't think that matters.

See, I've heard that applying to both is impossible. And then someone said that was only true for British applicants. And then I heard somewhere else that EU students count as Home students. And now, I am confused yet sure that someone here has the answer.

(Thanks in advance!)

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Reply 1

thomasjtl

or choral scholarships :tongue:

the (online) UCAS form just won't let you. The only way round it is if you apply for organ/choral scholarships, where you don't submit a ucas form until after you audition.

Reply 2

FadeToBlackout

You can apply to both as a post graduate, or when (as people have said) doing a choral or organ scholarship. (Not 100% sure on teh choral one).

You may be able to apply to both as an affiliated student- Ie. have a degree from elsehwere and are dogn a second undergraduate degree.

Other than that, that's it.

Reply 3

Nutter

Semicolon

Oh God, I am so scared of being stupid and obvious.

We're really very nice people youw know! :redface:

Reply 4

Queen_A

thomasjtl

or choral scholarships :tongue:

the (online) UCAS form just won't let you. The only way round it is if you apply for organ/choral scholarships, where you don't submit a ucas form until after you audition.

Nope, not choral scholarships, you can only apply for organ scholarships at both unis.

Reply 5

Rich_b

Queen_A

Nope, not choral scholarships, you can only apply for organ scholarships at both unis.

Reply 6

President_Ben

This question gets asked an awful lot... and the answer is on their websites.

Does anyone know anyone who has applied for both via the Organ Scholarship? The only person I know who I could have, didn't bother with Oxford. He was set on Cambridge (and got his Organ Scholarship).

Reply 7

Nutter

President_Ben

Does anyone know anyone who has applied for both via the Organ Scholarship? The only person I know who I could have, didn't bother with Oxford. He was set on Cambridge (and got his Organ Scholarship).

Yeah, there were a few people who posted in the Oxford 2006 Application Thread actually. It's no longer stickied so you'd have to search if you want to track them down.

Reply 8

tenjon

I know a few people at my school who are currently organ scholars at Oxford. I don't think they applied to Cambridge.

Reply 9

oldspc

Yes. I know a current Oxford organ scholar who also applied to Cambridge. His first choice was the Oxford college where he is now. After the Oxford auditions/interviews he was told that he didn't need to go on to the Cambridge auditions later in the week because he'd got his place :smile:

Reply 10

johnrambo

honestly, and to think i spent all that time building up a decent reference/personal statement, and all those many years trying to become the perfect student- should have just learnt the organ...

Reply 11

motoroller

So only one of oxbridge is normally applied to? What about if I applied abroad (e.g. Ivy League)? Is there any combination of applications that you wouldnt recommend...

Reply 12

bob_54321

you can only apply to one of oxbridge unless you are an organ scholar. you can apply to one of oxbridge and the ivy league unis (not sure about how many you apply to) and i don't think that any of the unis will know which other ones you apply to unless you tell them. i could be wrong though.

Reply 13

opolunina

As far as I know, the only way you can apply to both Oxford and Cambridge is if you have a Choral application, or something like that... Certainly not as a normal UCAS application.

Applying abroad - its an ENTIRELY different system, so makes no difference to your UCAS application. Word of warning, though: being a different system, it requires you to develop a different set of skills for interview - for example, the Ivy League is much more keen on 'teaching underprivileged children how to read' kind of extracurriculars, while Oxbridge is more academically focused and really don't care how much, if any, charity work you've ever done - just think about which one your talents and CV fit better. Also, if you apply to the states you have to take SATs - which require preparation and might take your time away from your other subjects/ application. Also bear in mind the cost of living/degree in the States is FAR higher (unless you're an overseas student in the UK, in which case I think the difference isn't that great).

Bearing all that in mind, there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't apply to both Oxbridge and Ivy League - a number of my friends have done that, and got in, so its certainly possible. But I don't envy anyone considering whether to turn down an Oxbridge offer!

Good Luck :wink:

Reply 14

hobnob

Pabs666

anyone know?

I'm pretty sure it's just to reduce the bulk of admin work. Both universities already have to cope with quite a lot of applications as it is.

Reply 15

Yep, the universities already spend a massive amount on the application process (i was told £100,000?) and that would, obviously, have to be doubled at both universities.

Reply 16

coldfish

It's basically a convenient arrangement for both. If they didn't do that they'd have pretty much twice the number of applicants, and would have to give out far more offers than they have places (becuase more would turn down their offers) and there's a risk of places not being filled or of being over-filled.

I wonder if UCAS would make similar arrangements for other universities if they requested it.

Reply 17

hobnob

coldfish

I wonder if UCAS would make similar arrangements for other universities if they requested it.

They probably would - after all it wouldn't be an inconvenience for UCAS, really... :dontknow:

Reply 18

Jonny Fezro

I've asked them why you can't apply to both, all it is is what would happen if you applied to both..the UCAS system would be in chaos (these are the words of a senior Cambridge academic :smile:

)..

That of course is what they say. But the real reason i think is because of the stupid Oxbridge rivalry that exists meaning both places think they have to be better than one another :rolleyes:

Reply 19

vira

Hey all... this is my first post on this forum!

When UCAS says 'affiliated student', they mean affiliated student at Cambridge and senior student at Oxford. Right? Does anyone have statistics about rate of acceptance for affiliated/senior student?

Thx!!

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