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    Let's say everything else is the same, would you choose a person with

    MSc International Business Management (Merit) - University Manchester

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    MSc International Business Management (Distinction) - Manchester Metropolitan University
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    (Original post by DKDarkKnight)
    Let's say everything else is the same, would you choose a person with

    MSc International Business Management (Merit) - University Manchester

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    MSc International Business Management (Distinction) - Manchester Metropolitan University
    People overestimate University reputation in terms of being employed. I would go with the person who had a distinction.
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    Person from Manchester most likely but I would want to see what both of those people got in their undergrads, A levels etc too.

    Manchester on your CV with a merit is automatically impressive I think. I would probably find it the same level to have a distinction from Man Met anyway, so really I'd most likely choose the Manchester person.

    Going to get negged for saying that but it's true, if someone gets a first from a below par uni it's no more impressive than a 2.1 from a top institution.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Going to get negged for saying that but it's true, if someone gets a first from a below par uni it's no more impressive than a 2.1 from a top institution.
    Evidence?

    If everything else is the same, which in reality wouldn't happen, I would pick the person with the best record; the person with the Distinction. Guess work about whether a Merit and Distinction are worth different things to different universities wouldn't come into it because there's no evidence for it.
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    (Original post by SpicyStrawberry)
    Evidence?

    If everything else is the same, which in reality wouldn't happen, I would pick the person with the best record; the person with the Distinction. Guess work about whether a Merit and Distinction are worth different things to different universities wouldn't come into it because there's no evidence for it.
    I mean in my opinion. I don't find it impressive to get a first from an ex-poly at all. People seem to think on here that institution doesn't matter at all if you have a higher mark and of course it does, would you choose a 2.1 from a top uni like Manchester or a first from Man Met? Honestly? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    I mean in my opinion. I don't find it impressive to get a first from an ex-poly at all. People seem to think on here that institution doesn't matter at all if you have a higher mark and of course it does, would you choose a 2.1 from a top uni like Manchester or a first from Man Met? Honestly? :rolleyes:
    Well I actually attend MMU so I will be biased. I am on track for a First, but it would be unfair to compare the quality of someone's work from one institution against another because the courses are completely different and require different things from you. On that basis I would prefer someone with a First - everyone and their dog has a 2.1 now, a first is more distinguishable (if everything else is identical which as I said before wouldn't actually happen in reality). Just because you attended a lower-ranked institution does not indicate your academic ability either; the course I study wasn't offered at Manchester but I have the grades for the majority of their courses, so that needs to be considered if you're going to base your decisions on a brand name over academic attainment.
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    (Original post by SpicyStrawberry)
    Well I actually attend MMU so I will be biased. I am on track for a First, but it would be unfair to compare the quality of someone's work from one institution against another because the courses are completely different and require different things from you. On that basis I would prefer someone with a First - everyone and their dog has a 2.1 now, a first is more distinguishable (if everything else is identical which as I said before wouldn't actually happen in reality). Just because you attended a lower-ranked institution does not indicate your academic ability either; the course I study wasn't offered at Manchester but I have the grades for the majority of their courses, so that needs to be considered if you're going to base your decisions on a brand name over academic attainment.
    Ah I see. That makes a lot of sense. A 2.1 from MMU is not the same as a 2.1 from Manchester though, so I don't see why you'd 'prefer' a first from MMU. If anything that would give you the same standing as someone with a 2.1 from Manchester, which is why I said they're roughly equivalent. If you had high A level grades and chose that course it would be different, which is why I stated I'd want to see undergraduate degree and A levels too. For graduate schemes etc most companies say they want AAB minimum in A levels and won't negotiate on that, so usually (not in your situation presumably) if you had gone to MMU that would indicate you got lower than AAB A levels. In which case for most companies/graduate schemes a distinction in a Masters from MMU would not help you anyway.

    Different entirely if you had higher grades and chose to go there. What course do you study that top unis don't offer?
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Ah I see. That makes a lot of sense. A 2.1 from MMU is not the same as a 2.1 from Manchester though, so I don't see why you'd 'prefer' a first from MMU. If anything that would give you the same standing as someone with a 2.1 from Manchester, which is why I said they're roughly equivalent. If you had high A level grades and chose that course it would be different, which is why I stated I'd want to see undergraduate degree and A levels too. For graduate schemes etc most companies say they want AAB minimum in A levels and won't negotiate on that, so usually (not in your situation presumably) if you had gone to MMU that would indicate you got lower than AAB A levels. In which case for most companies/graduate schemes a distinction in a Masters from MMU would not help you anyway.

    Different entirely if you had higher grades and chose to go there. What course do you study that top unis don't offer?
    Yeah I got AAB for A-level, but I disagree about a 2.1 not being the same as a 2.1 from UoM, I don't know how you can say that without evidence?

    I wanted to study combined honours Psychology but UoM didn't offer the combination I wanted, so I decided to go to MMU instead. However, this thread is about Masters degree courses, so regardless of the undergraduate degree classification a Distinction is better than a Merit.
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    (Original post by SpicyStrawberry)
    Yeah I got AAB for A-level, but I disagree about a 2.1 not being the same as a 2.1 from UoM, I don't know how you can say that without evidence?

    I wanted to study combined honours Psychology but UoM didn't offer the combination I wanted, so I decided to go to MMU instead. However, this thread is about Masters degree courses, so regardless of the undergraduate degree classification a Distinction is better than a Merit.
    I don't understand how you could think they are the same really...why do you think the course has lower entry requirements? Presumably it's less rigorous. I've also been speaking with graduate recruitment for schemes after uni/law firms recently and lots of them have said they acknowledge that a 2.1 from a good uni is not the same as a 2.1 from an ex-poly.

    [e] My aunt is head of HR for the three nearest hospitals to me back home. She told me they bin the CVs with an ex-poly on.

    I would disagree. Institution matters, I think you are underestimating its importance. Manchester is in the Russell Group which actually means top unis for research, which is usually what Masters degrees entail. So for that reason, a merit from a better research uni would benefit you more than a distinction from a less respected institution. Especially in a competitive industry like business where thousands of people apply all the time from top institutions.
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    (Original post by infairverona)

    I would disagree. Institution matters, I think you are underestimating its importance. Manchester is in the Russell Group which actually means top unis for research, which is usually what Masters degrees entail. So for that reason, a merit from a better research uni would benefit you more than a distinction from a less respected institution. Especially in a competitive industry like business where thousands of people apply all the time from top institutions.
    Out of interest, does your aunt recruit for the NHS Graduate Schemes such as NHS Manager or for the vocational jobs within the NHS such as Physio, Radiographer ect.
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    (Original post by Freiheit)
    Out of interest, does your aunt recruit for the NHS Graduate Schemes such as NHS Manager or for the vocational jobs within the NHS such as Physio, Radiographer, Pharmacist ect.
    Graduate schemes. I think it's different for the vocational ones as obviously a lot of ex-poly unis do offer the radiography course, physio course etc and it's more standardised because the exact same topics are often taught in those.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    I don't understand how you could think they are the same really...why do you think the course has lower entry requirements? Presumably it's less rigorous. I've also been speaking with graduate recruitment for schemes after uni/law firms recently and lots of them have said they acknowledge that a 2.1 from a good uni is not the same as a 2.1 from an ex-poly.

    [e] My aunt is head of HR for the three nearest hospitals to me back home. She told me they bin the CVs with an ex-poly on.

    I would disagree. Institution matters, I think you are underestimating its importance. Manchester is in the Russell Group which actually means top unis for research, which is usually what Masters degrees entail. So for that reason, a merit from a better research uni would benefit you more than a distinction from a less respected institution. Especially in a competitive industry like business where thousands of people apply all the time from top institutions.
    I think it boils down to what it is you'd like to do in the long run. Certainly for Law it is extremely competitive and so the best graduates will be chosen for the top legal firms which is understandable, but in the field I wish to pursue it is not important which uni you attended. I worked for a law firm in Manchester two years ago and they said the university for their solicitors did not matter, but they specialised in employment law and PPI claims; it may vary depending on the sector you are interested in and where you want to work.
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    (Original post by SpicyStrawberry)
    I think it boils down to what it is you'd like to do in the long run. Certainly for Law it is extremely competitive and so the best graduates will be chosen for the top legal firms which is understandable, but in the field I wish to pursue it is not important which uni you attended. I worked for a law firm in Manchester two years ago and they said the university for their solicitors did not matter, but they specialised in employment law and PPI claims; it may vary depending on the sector you are interested in and where you want to work.
    Not even just for law, companies also. That's really the point of the UCAS point requirement, they know that the large majority of students who get AAB or higher will go to a uni which requires AAB or higher. So while you can apply from any old uni, they are already vetting it somewhat.

    Obviously I don't know what field you are intending on going into but in my opinion it's still better to have gone to a better uni. Someone might think you didn't have the choice of a higher uni as opposed to you choosing not to go. Plus as I said, even the NHS grad schemes throw away ex-poly CVs. For business which is probably equally as competitive as law, where you go for your degree is very important. Unless there is something particularly interesting about the MMU business Masters that you want to do instead I still think Manchester is the wiser choice for a competitive area, especially if you HAVE that choice of going there.

    Long run isn't always that important either tbh. My sister wants to be a high school teacher teaching english and spanish. She is sitting her GCSEs this week and has so far achieved 95-100% in everything she has taken. She essentially has 10 A*s in the bag already unless she wildly fails something, which she won't. She still wants to go to Oxford even though to be a teacher she could go to pretty much any old uni for English and Spanish and still be able to do the PGCE and work at a good school. She wants to go to the best place she can still because then when she applies to schools they will be more impressed by her institution than someone who did indeed go to any old uni. The impression employers have of top unis is not to be underestimated.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Not even just for law, companies also. That's really the point of the UCAS point requirement, they know that the large majority of students who get AAB or higher will go to a uni which requires AAB or higher. So while you can apply from any old uni, they are already vetting it somewhat.

    Obviously I don't know what field you are intending on going into but in my opinion it's still better to have gone to a better uni. Someone might think you didn't have the choice of a higher uni as opposed to you choosing not to go. Plus as I said, even the NHS grad schemes throw away ex-poly CVs. For business which is probably equally as competitive as law, where you go for your degree is very important. Unless there is something particularly interesting about the MMU business Masters that you want to do instead I still think Manchester is the wiser choice for a competitive area, especially if you HAVE that choice of going there.
    Good job I'm not aiming to work for the NHS or in business then It's down to personal preferences, people have their reasons for not going to the 'better' uni in the same area and each person will have their own varying skills and experience. I think it's very unfortunate that your aunt bins CVs based on a university brand name, what with the current speculation over the quality of NHS employees at the moment it might be better to consider their skills and experience instead of ignoring people based on the building they studied in. Vocational courses that applicants to NHS jobs study are relatively standardised and some lower ranked institutions are better for subjects allied to Medicine than their Russell Group counterparts; not even giving them a chance is a mistake.

    I know you're trying to make me feel as though I've made a bad decision choosing the uni you feel is worse, but I am very content with what I've decided to do.
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    (Original post by SpicyStrawberry)
    Good job I'm not aiming to work for the NHS or in business then It's down to personal preferences, people have their reasons for not going to the 'better' uni in the same area and each person will have their own varying skills and experience. I think it's very unfortunate that your aunt bins CVs based on a university brand name, what with the current speculation over the quality of NHS employees at the moment it might be better to consider their skills and experience instead of ignoring people based on the building they studied in. Vocational courses that applicants to NHS jobs study are relatively standardised and some lower ranked institutions are better for subjects allied to Medicine than their Russell Group counterparts; not even giving them a chance is a mistake.
    It's not my just my aunt who does that I can assure you. Skills and experience do not make up for UCAS points below the requirements or someone who didn't go to a good uni. That's just how it is these days. In a time where anyone can go to uni as long as they pass a BTEC or get CCC in their A levels, the institution you attend matters. It's very naive to think it does not. Vocational courses are different because as you said they are standardised, they don't throw the CVs away for that because it doesn't matter as much when you've covered the same material at the same standard. It's really not the same at all. Either way I would always rather go to the best place I could because it reflects a lot on yourself and its on your CV forever. Obviously it is individual choice but I've never come across someone else who chose to go to an ex-poly with good grades, very interesting choice.

    I'm not trying ot make you feel bad at all, it's your choice, but personally yes I think it is a foolish choice and it's not one I would advocate for other people. You don't know whether having MMU on your CV is going to bite you in the future if your CV is binned. Also, it's not me saying your uni is 'worse'...the league tables speak for themselves! Advising someone else to choose a worse uni and choosing to go to one yourself are different matters entirely. The large majority of people would want a top uni on their CV if they had the choice/course dependent.
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    I think both are pretty equal, the problem would be merely having a degree. Alot of employers dislike employing people whom are, overqualified so to speak. This only relates to certain jobs though.
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    The first one. That's assuming equality in every single possible other aspect.
 
 
 
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