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    Thought I would get opinions and do my research a little bit early seeing as I won't actually be purchasing a new car until August 2014, might as well get to know a bit about them.


    I am looking at either a WR1 STi or a MK4 R32 as the title suggests, but I am more than open to any and all suggestions from you guys along with reasons why for either of my two option or your own if you suggest something.

    The traits I am looking for are quick off the mark, fast in a straight line and something that can handle corners as well. No two seaters sadly due to driving family and friends and I do not want a cabriolet.
    The car doesn't necessarily have to include all traits, but the more boxes it ticks the better.
    Essentially an all round car (if that even exists :P). Also MPG does not matter as I drive around 7,500 miles a year. No more than 8,000. I have budgeted around £2000-£2500, do you think this is accurate?


    Budget will be £10,000 for the car and I would like to keep it under £1,000 for the insurance if possible.


    Did a few estimations using Elephant (current provider) and R32 = £700p/a and WR1 STi = £1000p/a for insurance, just to give you guys an idea of how my prices look.


    Will be bumping this thread once every few months just to see how opinions change and grow to help me make my decision.

    Thanks in advance
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    I have no experience of Skylines, but had a Scoob and was heavily involved in the 'scene'. The WR1 was a limited special edition of the 2004 STi, but in that it was just a few extras from the options list, and a colour that wasn't otherwise sold in the UK. In truth, a standard 05 STi would probably be cheaper and is a better car. The 05's had the DCCD-A (active centre diff) that the WR1 got, but also benefitted from inverted dampers, wider rear track, strengthened hubs and came with Bridgestone's awesome RE070 tyres. Even better would be a JDM import which also has the stronger engine, HID's, sweep dials, rear wiper, more power and shorter gearing. In your price range, the ultimate Scoob would be the brilliant Litchfield Type 20 or 25's, especially if based on the JDM Spec C variants. I've driven most models of Subaru, and for a devastatingly quick road car, Litchfields chassis mods to the already unbelievable Spec C (or even standard JDM STi's) allied with the power upgrades (330ish for T20, 360-480 for T25's depending on model) give a supreme balance of handling and power.

    For insurance, contact Keith Michaels Insurance, specifically asking for Gary Moulson.

    JDM cars often have cheaper tax due to a loophole in the rules. UK cars can be up to 400, but JDM's are often 210.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Did a few estimations using Elephant (current provider) and R32 = £700p/a and WR1 STi = £1000p/a for insurance, just to give you guys an idea of how my prices look.
    I assume you've got quite a few years' experience under your belt to get that sort of quote on a fast Subaru? I've always found them to be extortionately expensive to insure compared to similar performance cars.

    At present I can insure a Lamborghini Aventador for less than a WR1 STi :rolleyes:
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    Mate of mine has an Astra VXR. Pretty nippy tbh, tight in the corners. Not too shabby really.

    Figure I should throw it out there as an alternative to the larger cars you've already mentioned.
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    BMW E39 5 series. Theres quite a few 523 and 525i around for the £2k mark. Look for ones with full service history as even though they are fairly reliable, they require good maintenance. For £2k it probably would've done about 100k miles so most problems would be fixed already. But 523 and 525 is fairly expensive for insurance, its about 2-2.5x the price compared to insuring my Micra. Whereas the 520 is a bit cheaper but slower.

    Would recommend a MK1 MX5 but thats a 2 seater.

    EDIT: Misread your budget, thought you said £2-2.5k for the car. Spending £10k is a different beast, there's a lot that you can get at this price range. But if you don't mind estate cars, the older 3.0l Subaru Legacy is very nice. For fast, the Civic Type R is pretty amazing. For RWD and build quality, you can't beat a BMW 320i Coupe. Just have a test drive to see which one you like.
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    (Original post by JO53PHS)
    I assume you've got quite a few years' experience under your belt to get that sort of quote on a fast Subaru? I've always found them to be extortionately expensive to insure compared to similar performance cars.

    At present I can insure a Lamborghini Aventador for less than a WR1 STi :rolleyes:

    Cheers for the suggestions so far guys, looking into them all


    @JO53PHS I will be 21 when I purchase the car with 3 years driving experience and as long as I don't have a crash between now and then, i'll have 1 years ncb as well.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Cheers for the suggestions so far guys, looking into them all


    @JO53PHS I will be 21 when I purchase the car with 3 years driving experience and as long as I don't have a crash between now and then, i'll have 1 years ncb as well.
    I would also say the Civic type R, looks nice, its fast and spacious to carry people around in.
    I do like your subaru and r32 choice.

    I definitely suggest the Audi A3 S3/Quattro........I love them, look good, luxury for me.......
    Could try a BMW 1 series as well, or something bigger like the 3 series m sport, but obviously not as quick compared to the lighter hatchbacks.

    Mitsubishi lancer, I understand theres a 225bhp version of the Alfa Romeo 159.........should be a good few mercs around....also I did find a maserati with 400bhp, insurance will be killer though
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    I would also say the Civic type R, looks nice, its fast and spacious to carry people around in.
    I do like your subaru and r32 choice.

    I definitely suggest the Audi A3 S3/Quattro........I love them, look good, luxury for me.......
    Could try a BMW 1 series as well, or something bigger like the 3 series m sport, but obviously not as quick compared to the lighter hatchbacks.

    Mitsubishi lancer, I understand theres a 225bhp version of the Alfa Romeo 159.........should be a good few mercs around....also I did find a maserati with 400bhp, insurance will be killer though
    Thanks mate!

    Got a thread going on Pistonheads so already looking into the Audi. Not a fan of the 1 Series, but looking in the 3 and 5 series.

    Also looking at evo's although I am not too big on how they look. Will check the 159 as I have been looking an AutoDelta tuned 3.7 147 GTA. Just a shame I cannot afford the insurance on a modded car of that power just yet.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Thanks mate!

    Got a thread going on Pistonheads so already looking into the Audi. Not a fan of the 1 Series, but looking in the 3 and 5 series.

    Also looking at evo's although I am not too big on how they look. Will check the 159 as I have been looking an AutoDelta tuned 3.7 147 GTA. Just a shame I cannot afford the insurance on a modded car of that power just yet.
    Definitely Audi A3, especially in white, tinted windows, jet black alloys with xeon lights its just amazing looking especially at night.
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    The quick Japanese stuff is and probably always will be amongst the dearest vehicles to insure. That's just the reality of owning something like that. I suspect it's likely because they hang on long after most things have let go at the back. The consequence being the crash that follows is at a higher speed and therefore = a bigger payout from the insurers point of view.

    I wouldn't write off a 1 series without having a go in one first. For starters, they are about the size of an 80's 3 series and the current 3 series is about the size of an 80's 5 series. Cars are MUCH bigger these days than they used to be.
    I used to laugh when I saw a 1 series. However, having test driven one for a pal a month or so back I have to admit I was VERY impressed. I can imagine with one of BMW's big sixes in there it'd be a real laugh.

    E46 M3 has to be worth a look as does a 330ci / 330D.

    Vauxhall Monaro has to be a worthy contender too - the LS1 V8 is a peach.

    Porsche 911 (996) is well within budget and in two years time factoring in some depreciation and a bit more saving you might just find you'll be able to get into a 997 which are MUCH better anyway.

    If you're looking at Scooby doos I suppose the natural competitor from Mitsubishi is worth considering too.

    A wild and wacky suggestion would be a Volvo V70 R design T5 with the polestar upgrade. I'm sure you're sat there thinking "wtf"... seriously they are well worth a look. I drove one a couple of weeks ago and was seriously impressed. The radar cruise control and the BLIS technology are incredibly impressive. I'm sure you'll likely dismiss this suggestion out of hand, but I can't tell you how close I've come over the last couple of weeks to putting a deposit down on this particular car. Can't ever remember being that blown away by a car - and a diesel too!
    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?logcode=ucnnp
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    (Original post by JC.)
    The quick Japanese stuff is and probably always will be amongst the dearest vehicles to insure. That's just the reality of owning something like that. I suspect it's likely because they hang on long after most things have let go at the back. The consequence being the crash that follows is at a higher speed and therefore = a bigger payout from the insurers point of view.

    I wouldn't write off a 1 series without having a go in one first. For starters, they are about the size of an 80's 3 series and the current 3 series is about the size of an 80's 5 series. Cars are MUCH bigger these days than they used to be.
    I used to laugh when I saw a 1 series. However, having test driven one for a pal a month or so back I have to admit I was VERY impressed. I can imagine with one of BMW's big sixes in there it'd be a real laugh.

    E46 M3 has to be worth a look as does a 330ci / 330D.

    Vauxhall Monaro has to be a worthy contender too - the LS1 V8 is a peach.

    Porsche 911 (996) is well within budget and in two years time factoring in some depreciation and a bit more saving you might just find you'll be able to get into a 997 which are MUCH better anyway.

    If you're looking at Scooby doos I suppose the natural competitor from Mitsubishi is worth considering too.

    A wild and wacky suggestion would be a Volvo V70 R design T5 with the polestar upgrade. I'm sure you're sat there thinking "wtf"... seriously they are well worth a look. I drove one a couple of weeks ago and was seriously impressed. The radar cruise control and the BLIS technology are incredibly impressive. I'm sure you'll likely dismiss this suggestion out of hand, but I can't tell you how close I've come over the last couple of weeks to putting a deposit down on this particular car. Can't ever remember being that blown away by a car - and a diesel too!
    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?logcode=ucnnp
    Was really hoping you would post. An interesting and helpful post as always!

    Having a look at all of your suggestions and I agree with the Volvo, family has always owned them (albeit small engined and not very powerful), so grew up enjoying their style. Had a look at a few seriously quick Volvos so far.
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    I'm glad you didn't just dismiss the Volvo's. They are massively under rated IMHO. Has to be R design spec for me, though. They just look a bit too roundy roundy in SE spec IMHO. The R design front valance, sills and rear spoiler just seems to make the cars look a little more aggressive and purposeful. The R suspension package makes them a little more planted too.

    Do have a go in a 1 series. The worst that can happen is you prove your inhibitions right to yourself, eh? On the other hand you might actually discover as I did that you're pleasantly surprised and perhaps even impressed?
    The one I tried was a 116i so the absolute baby of the range, yet it had been spec'd with full black leather. With BMW's I really do think you need to pick one up with full leather. The cloth trim is terrible and not particularly well wearing. Despite the four cylinder and the lack of grunt it was genuinely a pleasant car to drive and made me do a complete U-turn on my attitude towards them and BMW's in general to be honest. To prove the point I've just put my hand in my pocket and bought a low mileage 2.8 Z3 roadster!
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    Honda S2000 would be it for me, hands down. It's light, it's fast and can turn!
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    If I was in your position, I would buy a standard 1.8T mk4 Golf or a 2.0, and modify it. Make your own R32, something you can be proud of :P. If that isnt your type of thing then i'd go for the R32. Yes I admit I have a soft spot for mk4 golfs XD.

    Some guy is selling this on ukmkivs build thread: http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/455015.aspx?PageIndex=8







    Skoda Fabia vRS? Cheap and ive heard they are a load of fun
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    If I was in your position, I would buy a standard 1.8T mk4 Golf or a 2.0, and modify it.
    Why would you buy a 115hp 2.0 8v, which can only get to 150hp with several thousand pounds worth of forced induction/exhaust/internals mods, if you wanted a 240hp 3.2 V6? The 1.8T comes no where near either, lacks the character of the V6, and has a lot of reliability issues. And then there's insurance to consider when you start modding :/
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    Most of the suggestions are pretty good here. I'll go ahead and throw this baby in the mix:

    http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...educed/1168502

    There's also this if you want to save a little more:
    http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...lution/1215889

    And finally, something that I've always wanted to own:
    http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...milage/1385795
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    (Original post by FXX)
    Why would you buy a 115hp 2.0 8v, which can only get to 150hp with several thousand pounds worth of forced induction/exhaust/internals mods, if you wanted a 240hp 3.2 V6? The 1.8T comes no where near either, lacks the character of the V6, and has a lot of reliability issues. And then there's insurance to consider when you start modding :/
    What? The 1.8T is a peach! KO4 it with OEM mods and its brill.

    Never seen the fascination with vr6 engines. The guy who mapped my Fabia had a 850bhp version in a Bora though, quick.

    For me. Fwd, I'd get an R26 or a DC5.

    Awd, Evo 8

    RWD, e46 M3, s15.
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    (Original post by shakerist)
    Skoda Fabia vRS? Cheap and ive heard they are a load of fun
    Would have another mk1 in a heartbeat, very good cars. Easily tuneable to 220bhp, or can go to 300bhp with the right mods. Not bad for a 1.9 diesel.

    Not amazing handling cars, but can be made to ride well with correct mods.
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    Cheers for more suggestions guys, but I cannot afford the insurance on a modified car. It goes into insane figures.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Cheers for more suggestions guys, but I cannot afford the insurance on a modified car. It goes into insane figures.
    If u dont mind me asking how old r u and any ncb? Have u tried Adrian Flux they are a specialist insurance company which deals with modified vehicles and would be much much cheaper than the usual insurance brokers, AA, RAC, AVIVA etc..

    http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/modified/ Give them a ring
 
 
 
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