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    There is a "crisis of masculinity in Britain" because of the pressures rapid economic and social change have placed on masculine identity, shadow health minister Diane Abbott is to claim.

    In a speech on Thursday, Ms Abbott will warn a generation of men are in transit and unclear of their social role.

    They are also under pressure to live up to "pornified ideals", with Viagra becoming a party drug, she will say.

    She will urge more action to help boys see a less narrow view of masculinity.

    Speaking at the think tank Demos in London, Ms Abbott will set out how she thinks changing social attitudes and movements in the labour market have left men "isolated and misdirected".

    But she will stress that the problems men and boys face are not receiving sufficient attention because - "like the film Fight Club - the first rule of being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it".

    During the talk, Ms Abbott will highlight research by the Men's Health Forum, a charity which aims to tackle male health inequalities, which suggests that men are more likely to take their own lives than women, have lower educational attainment at all levels of the education system, are more likely to be homeless, and are less likely to access NHS services.

    This is because there are structural and cultural issues which prevent men from seeking help, the research concludes.

    The charity also suggests men are more likely to work full-time and to work longer hours than women, making access to services such as GP surgeries more difficult.

    Social norms can mitigate against men expressing their emotions or appearing vulnerable, it adds, meaning common psychological disorders, including depression and anxiety, are under diagnosed in men.

    Ms Abbott will argue that today's generation is "caught between the 'stiff-upper lip' approach of previous generations and today's cultural tornado of male cosmetics, white collar industry, and modernised workplaces".

    The male role of the past as provider and earner has come under pressure from consumerism, she will say, leaving Britain's boys growing up in a culture of "hyper-masculinity", which is fuelling misogyny and homophobia.


    Diane Abbott wants schools and parents to do more to encourage boys to talk about the issues they face
    The speech follows concerns Ms Abbott expressed in January that British culture was becoming "increasingly pornified" and was having a damaging effect on young people.

    The rise of a "Viagra and Jack Daniels culture" - with men buying the drug as a performance enhancer rather than for medical reasons - is an indication of the pressure young men are under to live up to "pornified ideals", she will say in her speech.

    To tackle this "masculinity crisis" she will call for a strengthened role for fathers in family life, with father-friendly parenting classes, meaningful parental leave for men and more conversations between fathers and sons about manhood.

    Ms Abbott will also call for schools and parents to do more to encourage boys to talk about the issues they face and she wants more male teachers in schools to act as role models.

    Such actions should help establish a more "multi-faceted notion of what makes a man", the Labour MP will say.
    via http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22530184


    Just saw this on BBC news - jokes about Diane Abbott aside (I'm no fan of hers, but looking just at the points she's making in this speech) what do you think? Is there a crisis of masculinity in Britain?
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    For the first time in a very long time - I see Dianne Abbot and like what I hear.

    It's just a shame she had to include this;

    The male role of the past as provider and earner has come under pressure from consumerism, she will say, leaving Britain's boys growing up in a culture of "hyper-masculinity", which is fuelling misogyny and homophobia.
    It's a shame she had to relate these problems to consider the effect on female "victims" - rather than just considering the problems faced by men in their own right. To do otherwise infers that she only cares because of the consequences of the strains on men, rather than the strains on men themselves.

    However she has actually put in some decent research and made a less divisive point than usual. Perhaps she is on the up?
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    Who takes Viagra as a party drug. Also, there are people out there who think Porn is in any way related to reality? Sounds more like Britain is having a crisis of stupidity.
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    Looks like the chickens are returning to roost. This is the "equal" society that New Labour constructed, and her solution is more of the same?

    "Do what Diane Abbott, the homosexuals and the feminists say shall be the whole of the law", I think not. Stop trying to control our thoughts you fascists, resentment will only increase.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Who takes Viagra as a party drug. Also, there are people out there who think Porn is in any way related to reality? Sounds more like Britain is having a crisis of stupidity.
    The party drug bit confused me too - I've never heard of anybody taking it just for ****s and giggles. But I do know a couple of guys who take it as a "performance enhancer" despite still being perfectly able to get and sustain an erection, which I guess is what they're getting at - surely the point of viagra is to help you get an erection if you find it very difficult to get one, not just a "back up" for when the little man's a bit tired out. :confused:
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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    For the first time in a very long time - I see Dianne Abbot and like what I hear.

    It's just a shame she had to include this;

    It's a shame she had to relate these problems to consider the effect on female "victims" - rather than just considering the problems faced by men in their own right. To do otherwise infers that she only cares because of the consequences of the strains on men, rather than the strains on men themselves.

    However she has actually put in some decent research and made a less divisive point than usual. Perhaps she is on the up?
    I'm not sure I agree. Men's problems are women's problems, and visa versa. I think they do inter-relate and it isn't wrong to acknowledge that. Also I think misogyny is a problem with makes men unhappy as well as women. Boys can be the victim of misogyny if it warps their view of women and relationships making them dysfunctional for example.
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    lol, what an exaggeration. I'm watching the debate on the news right now.
    It's just party poliking.
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    Just her looking for another excuse for to blame the straight white man. Coming from Diane Abbot, I'm not surprised.
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    Oh Diane Abbot :")
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    Just her looking for another excuse for to blame the straight white man. Coming from Diane Abbot, I'm not surprised.
    You realise she's arguing that there are issues that men face that need to be addressed right? I mean, I know you don't like to read things before you respond to them, but you should probably not dismiss someone who's saying that men have real problems too by invoking your persecution complex.
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    I... didn't realise she could make me dislike her more.

    Diane, **** off with your ridiculous notion of set gender roles and just let everyone be what they want to be.

    (Original post by Aj12)
    Who takes Viagra as a party drug.
    People looking to rape guys maybe? I do wonder where on earth she got that from!
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    If males were to choose their own role model it would probably not be Christopher Biggins doing Widow-T****y at Panto but Bruce Lee fighting off guards with a punch and a kick; it would probably not be the guy who works in the office all day, it would be the guy who fought the evil henchmen, collected the dosh, and rescued the beautiful female.

    Sounds to me like Diane Abbot wants the domesticated man to be the ideal man.
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    Whilst I am glad that she is highlighting the considerable problems that many young men are facing today, she does have a reputation as a total moron. The lines between the roles that men and women play have blurred, and although I think that is ultimately a good thing for both genders, it has left a lot of boys feeling a bit directionless and uncertain of their value in society. So overall I do agree with her on the points that she makes, apart from the Viagra one :confused:

    By the way, I also think that there is a crisis of femininity nowadays too. It hasn't led to hyper-femininity, but instead to lots of loud, brash girls and women, which isn't exactly a treat either.
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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    via http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22530184


    Just saw this on BBC news - jokes about Diane Abbott aside (I'm no fan of hers, but looking just at the points she's making in this speech) what do you think? Is there a crisis of masculinity in Britain?
    If I had to have sex with Diane Abbott, I'd have to be ****faced off JD and take a couple of Viagra too..

    There is no place for a fat and ugly woman to comment on sex, she should be grateful someone is even willing to do that with her.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Who takes Viagra as a party drug.
    I read a few years ago - can't remember where now - that US University male students take a viagra and go to a club and have a competition on who can take home a girl before it works. Dunno if it is meant to be a joke or not, but it makes me giggle ><
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    The male role of the past as provider and earner has come under pressure from consumerism, she will say, leaving Britain's boys growing up in a culture of "hyper-masculinity", which is fuelling misogyny and homophobia.
    I absolutely love what she's saying here. She's sorting out the problems Men are facing in society, as well as trying to tackle the problems Women have too! Who cares what her motives are, whether she's for Men or Women, she's doing it right and hopefully it'll get rid of self-righteous, entitled idiots like this;

    There is no place for a fat and ugly woman to comment on sex, she should be grateful someone is even willing to do that with her.
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    (Original post by mmmpie)
    You realise she's arguing that there are issues that men face that need to be addressed right? I mean, I know you don't like to read things before you respond to them, but you should probably not dismiss someone who's saying that men have real problems too by invoking your persecution complex.
    Does that change the fact that she's a self-centred, self-interested and above all self-absorbed racist?

    Since going by what she's rambled on about in the past, I trust her and her left-wing *******s for a second.

    I know you and your type are the ones who would gladly kiss her arse for affection but frankly I don't have time to listen to someone who's made it clear that white men are the sole problem of everything bad in the world.
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    I think a vacuum has been created. Men have been told they are not supposed to be the dominant, head of the family, bread winning figure because thats sexist while being told they shouldn't take up the previously all female role of being a housekeeper/child raiser because then you are not masculine.

    What are we supposed to be?
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    She's right that men are more likely to be scared to seek help for anything.

    But I think the homelessness thing is more to do with the fact that more men are willing to help homeless women than women are willing to help homeless men.
 
 
 
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