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    (Original post by pete77)
    Medicine is solid as rock !

    Law doesnt even compare to it !

    For a start 5 years to 3 years !

    Then 5 years mean 5 years hardly any summer holidays as you go on !
    Exams after exams tons of books to read ! Law seems to be a doss !

    what about the post-grad training - BVC etc that you have to do for a traditional law career????

    I'm a medic and am really looking forward to 3 months off over the summer...
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    In all fairness, most law students are shallow, money hungry and don't give a **** about people.

    Most of what they do doesn't ever really amount to anything and they usually end up doing whatever will give them more money

    Of course an altruistic solicitor/human rights lawyer or whatever is hugely respectable but how many of them are there in the world? If you're a law student how many of them are there in your year? Don't think too many

    and now that the LNAT's have been introduced, yes the application process maybe as hard as medicine.

    I'm not doubting the ability of a good lawyer or the intelligence of a good lawyer or law student, but in general, I respect medics more for their dedication to other people. Isn't that fair? Amn't I entitled to that opinion without being negative repped by someone who can't debate sensibly?

    And as for calling me a moron, that says a lot more about you than me.
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    (Original post by calamity jane)
    In all fairness, most law students are shallow, money hungry and don't give a **** about people.
    Based on what? Yes, alas, there is a dissappointing number of people, in my limited experience, who do a law degree for the money. But if you dont REALLY want to study law, then you wont succeed. The amount of effort you need to put in. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2&postcount=41 Read that, and tell me anyone who succeeds on a law degree doesnt really want it.
    The amount of pro bono work (that's work for FREE - a kind of specialist volunteering) has gone up rapidly in recent years.
    Im not even sure I want to be a lawyer, so equating a law degree with being a lawyer isnt always justified. I want to read law because it is intellectually stimulating, you gain many transferable skills and it is the most relevant degree to society.

    Most of what they do doesn't ever really amount to anything and they usually end up doing whatever will give them more money
    No. Because the formation of the law is not at all important (law lords and judges). Not as if WE have to abide by them. :rolleyes: Every dispute requires a lawyer, so without lawyers disputes would not get resolved. There are so many examples it makes my head ache.
    If you want to attack a profession, that too is easy. My GP has never given me a good piece of advice and I have never been to a hospital, been cured, and never had to go back there again for the same ailment.
    And yet I still respect the medical profession...

    Of course an altruistic solicitor/human rights lawyer or whatever is hugely respectable but how many of them are there in the world? If you're a law student how many of them are there in your year? Don't think too many
    Pro bono work, as Ive mentioned is increasing.
    Human rights law is not the only branch of law that can make a difference. In fact, name me an area of law which you think isn't important..:confused:
    Oh...and law students arent lawyers so excuse them for not being hugely respectabe human rights lawyers. :rolleyes: that's like me saying, how many good docters are there in your year?

    and now that the LNAT's have been introduced, yes the application process maybe as hard as medicine.


    I'm not doubting the ability of a good lawyer or the intelligence of a good lawyer or law student, but in general, I respect medics more for their dedication to other people. Isn't that fair? Amn't I entitled to that opinion without being negative repped by someone who can't debate sensibly?
    You are entiled to your own opinion.
    Alas things are starting to fall into place...I have not neg repped you. I have only neg repped one person and I made sure that that person knew it was me (and indeed others did :p: ). I hope the person who did will have th bo**ocks to say it was them if they read this thread. I shall pos rep you tomorrow to counter actthe idiot who did neg rep you.
    Oh...by the way, apart from my insult (see below), I have debated sensibly!



    And as for calling me a moron, that says a lot more about you than me.
    Sorry...but I get irritated by poor arguments.
    People learn with me not to take my comments with papal seriousness (although I sometimes feel that the pope is having as all on at times with his inane wafflings...but the point remains..). I do not truly mean you are a moron. But your argument was poor.

    You have many misconceptions about law students and lawyers, but I respect your right to think what you like (another reason why I wish to study law..:p: )

    You shall receive pos rep tomorrow morn.
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    (Original post by calamity jane)
    In all fairness, most law students are shallow, money hungry and don't give a **** about people.
    Wow ... what a mass generalisation... if there was an award for erroneous generalisations, you sir, would be picking up an oscar.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Most of what they do doesn't ever really amount to anything and they usually end up doing whatever will give them more money
    Hmm pay taxes? Doesnt help ? Youre not fond of the NHS then?

    What about the fact that lawyers ensure the legal system operates? A fan of anarchy are you?

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Of course an altruistic solicitor/human rights lawyer or whatever is hugely respectable but how many of them are there in the world? If you're a law student how many of them are there in your year? Don't think too many
    Quite a few actually.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    I'm not doubting the ability of a good lawyer or the intelligence of a good lawyer or law student, but in general, I respect medics more for their dedication to other people. Isn't that fair? Amn't I entitled to that opinion without being negative repped by someone who can't debate sensibly?
    All medics are dedicated to others huh? :rolleyes:

    Crap... I can debate fine .. but Im still tempted to negative rep you for your mass generalisation and insults.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    And as for calling me a moron, that says a lot more about you than me.
    Moron. Wow... it says absolutely nothing about me ... guess you were wrong.
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    (Original post by calamity jane)
    In all fairness, most law students are shallow, money hungry and don't give a **** about people.
    So are many medical students - the fools have yet to work out that a) the money isn't that good, and b) there's more to life than money...
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    Actually GPs, so ive heard are on £70-£80k in our area. That's very good for what they do (i.e. look up your symptoms in an enormous book and prescribe antibiotics).

    There is scope to earn a LOT of money with a good degree in medicine. You are unlikely to become a nurse with a degree in medicine which took you 5 years to obtain... :p:
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    A lot of people I know are wanting to study Medicine because their parents told them to. Others, because of the money. In what way is that respectable?

    I gave you negative reputation, Jane, because I find your opinion rather offensive and irritating. I want to study law because it seems like an intellectually stimulating degree, and it is also very flexible - not all graduates become Lawyers. There are many degrees which can be lucrative, and yes, Law is one of them, but it's not necessarily the most lucrative of degrees. Doctors and dentists (they save your teeth, not your life) on average, earn more, as do actuaries, directors, high up managers, etc.
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    Without going back to whether medicine is harder than law etc (it all depends on your relative strengths, weaknesses and interests - I'm certainly not an avid essay writer) looking at statistics for entry to Birmingham Uni in 2004 Law had something like 8 applications to place, medicine 5, dentistry 10 and (asking for grades AAB-ABB - just like medicine and many law schools) drama and theatre studies had 15 applications per place.

    People seem obsessed (mainly those doing medicine and law) with the idea that studying medicine and law is the pinnacle of academic success and the most difficult subjects you can do. In fact many of the arrogant prats on my course (i do medicine at Manc) seem to think those that don't study medicine don't because they can't! I've come across a few similar lawyers.

    I'm just ranting.... but it does grate on my nerves when people go on about law and medicine being the most difficult and competitive - they really aren't!
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    I agree.
    I nearly did philosophy.

    Any degree course is GREAT if you are truly interested in it.
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    oh dear, looks like I've made a lot friends on this post

    I know Law is intellectually stimulating and challenging (very often more than medicine!), and I don't doubt that it is incredibly hard! But my point is that I PERSONALLY admire doctors for what they contibute to society compared to the AVERAGE law graduate! Law and order is THE most important aspect of any society but NOT the law graduates themselves particularly (in my opinion! don't bite my head off!). Of course there are a significant proportion of law grads who want to do something good with thier degree e.g. barrister, human rights lawyer etc but if you were good, how many of you would realistically still want to become any of the above? Wouldn't it be more likely that you'd want to go for a high paid corporate legal job? At the end of the day wouldn't that be more rewarding to you personally?

    And I agree that certainly a judge or maybe a barrister would make an equally as big if not a greater differnece to someone's life in situations. Law students out there, what do you realisitically want to do with your lives? Why should I admire what you statistically do more than the normal doctor? Yes this is a generalisation, but I thought I'd share my view and mix it up.

    Yes some medics have gone into the profession for the safe and high pay, but at least what they do has a bigger impact generally has a bigger impact on people's lives. Yes there's the big money incentive and some opt to go into private hospitals, but isn't is a fair assumption that most people who want to be around sick and dead people aren't just doing it for the money? Even if a medic DID aim to become a surgeon coz they were paid huge amounts of money, they would still have to be really good surgeons to make it and I woudl appreciate a good surgeon more than a corporate lawyer simply because of what they did.

    I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my posts. Let me just re-emphasis: I know law is incredibly hard and certainly not any less than medicines. Good corporate lawyers must be super intelligent and sharp as a a knife to get to where they are because it's the toughtest profession by far I admit. But out of a year of oxbridge lawyers and oxbridge medics, who would I say I would generally admire more? The doctor of course! They handle huge emotional strain as well as pressure and they've impacted MY life more than any solicitor directly. Not saying the course is any more challenging!

    And I agree that medicine and law aren't necessarily the hardest subjects at uni. If we're talking about most challenging career, I'm inclined to say physics and maths research. A good physicist doesn't need to kiss their bosses ass, doesn't need to remember tons of facts just for the sake of it. How they are able to come up with some of the stuff they come up with is amazing and has my vote any day of the week for most impressive human intellectual achievement.

    And lastly, I'm not a medic so this isn't personal.
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    (Original post by calamity jane)
    oh dear, looks like I've made a lot friends on this post
    Indeed.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    I know Law is intellectually stimulating and challenging (very often more than medicine!), and I don't doubt that it is incredibly hard!
    That it is.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    But my point is that I PERSONALLY admire doctors for what they contibute to society compared to the AVERAGE law graduate!
    You have no basis for this opinion seeing as you seem wholly ignorant of what either group contributes.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Law and order is THE most important aspect of any society but NOT the law graduates themselves particularly (in my opinion! don't bite my head off!).
    So the legal system runs on what? Graduates of Football Studies?

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Of course there are a significant proportion of law grads who want to do something good with thier degree e.g. barrister, human rights lawyer etc
    This quote exhibits that you don’t know enough about the legal profession to make anything like an informed judgement.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    but if you were good, how many of you would realistically still want to become any of the above?
    Some of the very best intellects go into Human rights, Employment law, environmental law, international law, immigration law. Again, you clearly have no concept of why people do law, or what they do with it.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Wouldn't it be more likely that you'd want to go for a high paid corporate legal job? At the end of the day wouldn't that be more rewarding to you personally?
    For some… yeas… but by no means all. Also – many law grads choose a corporate law job because its exciting, interesting and challenging. Many choose it OVER a job in say Investment Banking – which pays more. Its not about money for everyone. Nor is it about money for most of them.

    And once again you assume that those earning lots of money don’t do huge amounts for society. Once again – you are against the taxes they contribute?

    You also ignore the fact that Medicine often pays far more.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    And I agree that certainly a judge or maybe a barrister would make an equally as big if not a greater differnece to someone's life in situations. Law students out there, what do you realisitically want to do with your lives? Why should I admire what you statistically do more than the normal doctor? Yes this is a generalisation, but I thought I'd share my view and mix it up.
    And insult people at the same time… nicely done.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Yes some medics have gone into the profession for the safe and high pay, but at least what they do has a bigger impact generally has a bigger impact on people's lives.
    Says who? Lawyers have a HUGE impact on society – and seeing as they ensure people stick to the rules that govern society and CREATE society … I would say they play a vital role.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Yes there's the big money incentive and some opt to go into private hospitals, but isn't is a fair assumption that most people who want to be around sick and dead people aren't just doing it for the money?
    Neither is that a fair assumption for lawyers, many of who, as said – could earn more elsewhere.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Even if a medic DID aim to become a surgeon coz they were paid huge amounts of money, they would still have to be really good surgeons to make it and I woudl appreciate a good surgeon more than a corporate lawyer simply because of what they did.
    Then you would be naïve. You would simply admire them more because you can see their effect more directly and patently. That doesn’t mean that lawyers are any less important to society.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my posts. Let me just re-emphasis: I know law is incredibly hard and certainly not any less than medicines. Good corporate lawyers must be super intelligent and sharp as a a knife to get to where they are because it's the toughtest profession by far I admit. But out of a year of oxbridge lawyers and oxbridge medics, who would I say I would generally admire more? The doctor of course!
    Without much basis.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    They handle huge emotional strain as well as pressure and they've impacted MY life more than any solicitor directly.
    Ask yourself where you would be without a legal system. Ask yourself where you would be if it wasn’t for the taxes that lawyers pay, and the taxes that they aENSURE are paid by others. Ask yourself where you would be without people who had studied law helping to write the law.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    Not saying the course is any more challenging!
    But you are saying one group are more greedy than the other and less worthy of admiration.

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    And I agree that medicine and law aren't necessarily the hardest subjects at uni. If we're talking about most challenging career, I'm inclined to say physics and maths research. A good physicist doesn't need to kiss their bosses ass,
    :rolleyes: and lawyers all do huh?

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    doesn't need to remember tons of facts just for the sake of it.
    Just for the sake of it? What on earth are you on about?

    (Original post by calamity jane)
    How they are able to come up with some of the stuff they come up with is amazing and has my vote any day of the week for most impressive human intellectual achievement.
    Its an entirely different type of intellect.
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    (Original post by Phonicsdude)
    Actually GPs, so ive heard are on £70-£80k in our area. That's very good for what they do (i.e. look up your symptoms in an enormous book and prescribe antibiotics).
    I think they deserve it (the average basic pay is about £50K, boosted by night duty etc). General Practice has to be one of the hardest specialities in medicine - you need to know enough about everything to be able to deal with your patients and know who to refer peeps on to etc.
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    I can't help but notice how personally you're taking this.

    Yes the legal system is important, I already said that! But how much of an impact does EACH lawyer make? Would even an average Oxbridge lawyer make the same difference to each person's life as the medics? Not likely. And you are you really saying that you'd appreciate what some tax attourney who saved you vast sums of money did for you more than say a doctor who saved you life?

    And if you haven't noticed, my BASIS for this is my appreciation for sentiment, and altruism. Whats wrong with that being valued? and again I'm ont stating this as fact. It's merely opinion. You are taking this far too personally which you shouldn't because I'm not questioning any law student's intellect, especially not anyone from Oxbridge. I'm sure it would be make more sense to most people to do whatever brings them more happiness and medicine takes a certain mindset to make what they do worth it but I admire it more none the less. Would I be thankful towards someone who saved my company £x million pounds? Of course I would! VERY! Would I be thankful towards he doctor who's wits saved me in the ER, yes and more so than to the clever lawyer. Plus the doctor wouldn't expected anymore money from me.

    And if you don't think I have any grounds for what I'm saying then why are still talking? If you want to educate me then fine, go ahead. I'm willing to learn especially from an Oxford Law student, and I'm being serious. But is there really a need for that sarky aggresive tone? It's just MY opinion! And I know I could be wrong but I don't understand how if I am so go ahead teach me!
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    what do you intend to study C-Jane?
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    Op, sorry, also noticed that my original post (posted last year) sounded awful. Think I was just bored and decided to piss people off.

    But i still stand by my guns on who I appreciate more. I'll take back (as I already have) on what I said about medicne being more challenging. and interesting.

    And I don't plan on doing law or medicine if thats what you're thinking. Already at uni doing pharmacy
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    Haha1 Fair enough! I routinely post just to provoke people, although usually I do so with at least a grain of logic on my side! :p:

    I didnt realise that the thread was as old as it was! :eek:

    Pharmacy would still denote a slight bias towards medicine...no? :p:
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    Cant beleive this thread is not dead and burried !
    The question has been answered & dint even have to exist !
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    maybe some unconscious bias. And this post should be buried. So this'll be the last point from me.
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    Dear all,

    Coming from a legal and medical background I should just say -

    This is a very silly debate I must say. Which is harder. Well, it depends where you study, it depends how much you study, and it depends to what level you want to take it.

    Law by virtue is a more academic subject, it requires the ability to rationalise legal texts and whislt it is shorter it is certainly intellectually challenging.

    Medicine deserves the term, "sheer volume". it requires great time committments and many other inter-personal and emotional skills.

    Neither is better than the other, just very different. The ifficulty comes with the individual NOT the subject per se.

    Please do bury teh subject.

    Regards.
    Leigh
 
 
 
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