Is anyone else REALLY getting sick of labour??

I agree with most of your points and feel that we need to give some citizens a spine - this includes making people work who have children at a young age and not gving them a council house and benifits to go to college.

Fiar enough point I admit - however why should these people not cram in with their parents? Also in "some" but not all teenagers will try and have a child to get these things. For that reason I feel it is the governments responcibility to discourage this.

I did but is makes no real difference, they are both the same.

In some cases yes I am. I maybe wrongly suspect you go to an independent/public school, and do therefore not have the ability to percieve, but I know/knew many girls who sole intension was to have some kids, get a counclit house and live of benifits.

I beg to differ. Conservative don't have a slimy arse-kissing liar in charge, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The Labour party used to be about the working man, and the conservitives about the middle and upper classes.

Under New Labour we've seen the introduction of the minimum wage, rises of the minimum wage,

a social partnership,

increased anti discrimination legislation for the worker through both standard domestic legislation, and the ratification of european social standards.

I'm well aware i may be ripped to pieces over this however, i would also like to state that I'm speaking form the point of view of an 'uneducated' when it comes to the world of complex politics.... oh well, here goes...

I think Pete Doherty has a point - See the lyrics below from "F**k Forever"

"New Labour, or Tory"

It seems to me that new labour are rolling over to have their belly tickled by the middle classes and it's getting harder and harder to distinguish between the two...

Well the truth is to win an election you need the support of more than just one social group. If Labour went back to true socialism representing the working class (a class which in real terms is ever-shrinking and generally quite apathetic) it would be slaughtered by the Tories and possibly even the Lib Dems. However if you look beyond the surface their are subtle but quite fundamental nuances between the two parties into which I won't go into in any depth but in terms of foreign policies certain new prominent Tories are quite right-wing and neo-conservative.

I think we're getting more like the US where economically the parties are near identical and it's in areas such as social and foreign policy where the battle will be fought. But this is how it should be since it reflects the views of the majority of the British people. Labour have the choice between being a socialist opposition or a centrist government. Blair took them to the latter, it's up to them where they go once he steps down.

I know it's all about winning, but it seems to me like they've forgotton the ideals that bore the party to begin with... it may be an extreme comparison but look at soviet russia Stalin (2nd generation) corrupted the ideals that soviet society was originally supposed to be about, some argue he even went full circle and became the person the original revolutionaries tried to overthrow in the first place... IM humble O Blair is doing something similar today.

He's cerainly taken the party away from it's roots but is that a bad thing? He did it in 1997 and has won three elections on that platform so he must be doing something right.

cheers mate much appreciate- oh, ive got an article from the mail y'day about how labour spend OUR money only in THEIR voting areas!

that'll be a good disussion!

its not the fact someone is poor that i dislike them, its because the vast majority of them are the same, parents had them at 17-18, no respect for the police, council estate life, messed around at school, then got pregnant etc etc

its just so amazing how all of their lives are identical, even the teenage ones now even wear the same trackie bottoms! lol

oh and we're paying more tax so they can have more children, who will live the same stupid lives etc etc!