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Will doing this make me really shallow?

I'm a third-year student on a four-year course at uni, and as I like to get involved in loads of things I both play sports (hockey and so on) at a high level and do more "geeky" things like the chess society and so on. As such, I have friends from both areas.

I'm naturally a very outgoing, extroverted girl and like to make friends with people quickly. I also prefer playing sports to "intellectual" hobbies, as I'm doing quite a hard degree, though I think the latter are still important. And I like to take care of my appearance and am quite girly and feminine sometimes, which my geeky friends make fun of just as much as they make fun of the fact I do "masculine" things like lift weights.

I've noticed I find it much, much harder to get on with my "geeky" friends than the more "popular" people who play sports and do more stuff around uni and seem to know almost everyone. I act the same way around everyone, and I used to be a really big geek who played video games and all that, but it's not even that we don't have the same hobbies as their personalities.

Despite the stereotypes, I've found my sporty friends to be more outgoing and friendly, and the "geeks" to be cliquey, hung up on things that don't matter and actually less accepting of people who don't conform. I have to spend much more time with my geeky friends just to be treated as "one of them," and they're really rude about it when I can't as well. Without sounding mean, they tend to have bad social skills too and it's harder to become proper friends with them. I don't know why the geeks often act like such an exclusive club.

As last year is my final year, would it be really shallow of me to spend more time around the people I like spending time around with (who I guess are the more "popular" people) rather than the geeks? I find them nicer and I fit in with them better, and I'm not even sure most of my "geeky" friends will stay in touch with me after uni, as they're so cliquey.

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Reply 1
Original post by Anonymous
I'm a third-year student on a four-year course at uni, and as I like to get involved in loads of things I both play sports (hockey and so on) at a high level and do more "geeky" things like the chess society and so on. As such, I have friends from both areas.

I'm naturally a very outgoing, extroverted girl and like to make friends with people quickly. I also prefer playing sports to "intellectual" hobbies, as I'm doing quite a hard degree, though I think the latter are still important. And I like to take care of my appearance and am quite girly and feminine sometimes, which my geeky friends make fun of just as much as they make fun of the fact I do "masculine" things like lift weights.

I've noticed I find it much, much harder to get on with my "geeky" friends than the more "popular" people who play sports and do more stuff around uni and seem to know almost everyone. I act the same way around everyone, and I used to be a really big geek who played video games and all that, but it's not even that we don't have the same hobbies as their personalities.

Despite the stereotypes, I've found my sporty friends to be more outgoing and friendly, and the "geeks" to be cliquey, hung up on things that don't matter and actually less accepting of people who don't conform. I have to spend much more time with my geeky friends just to be treated as "one of them," and they're really rude about it when I can't as well. Without sounding mean, they tend to have bad social skills too and it's harder to become proper friends with them. I don't know why the geeks often act like such an exclusive club.

As last year is my final year, would it be really shallow of me to spend more time around the people I like spending time around with (who I guess are the more "popular" people) rather than the geeks? I find them nicer and I fit in with them better, and I'm not even sure most of my "geeky" friends will stay in touch with me after uni, as they're so cliquey.


Because they probably never had that in high school and now want to feel like they're the top of the chain now.

If you like spending time with your friends then spend time with them. I'm don't even know why popularity matters in University, if they care so much about it then they have nothing to aspire to in the real world.
Original post by Anonymous
I'm a third-year student on a four-year course at uni, and as I like to get involved in loads of things I both play sports (hockey and so on) at a high level and do more "geeky" things like the chess society and so on. As such, I have friends from both areas.

I'm naturally a very outgoing, extroverted girl and like to make friends with people quickly. I also prefer playing sports to "intellectual" hobbies, as I'm doing quite a hard degree, though I think the latter are still important. And I like to take care of my appearance and am quite girly and feminine sometimes, which my geeky friends make fun of just as much as they make fun of the fact I do "masculine" things like lift weights.

I've noticed I find it much, much harder to get on with my "geeky" friends than the more "popular" people who play sports and do more stuff around uni and seem to know almost everyone. I act the same way around everyone, and I used to be a really big geek who played video games and all that, but it's not even that we don't have the same hobbies as their personalities.

Despite the stereotypes, I've found my sporty friends to be more outgoing and friendly, and the "geeks" to be cliquey, hung up on things that don't matter and actually less accepting of people who don't conform. I have to spend much more time with my geeky friends just to be treated as "one of them," and they're really rude about it when I can't as well. Without sounding mean, they tend to have bad social skills too and it's harder to become proper friends with them. I don't know why the geeks often act like such an exclusive club.

As last year is my final year, would it be really shallow of me to spend more time around the people I like spending time around with (who I guess are the more "popular" people) rather than the geeks? I find them nicer and I fit in with them better, and I'm not even sure most of my "geeky" friends will stay in touch with me after uni, as they're so cliquey.


The fact you refer to them as 'geeks' makes you shallow.
Reply 3
Original post by Kiss
Because they probably never had that in high school and now want to feel like they're the top of the chain now.

If you like spending time with your friends then spend time with them. I'm don't even know why popularity matters in University, if they care so much about it then they have nothing to aspire to in the real world.


I think you may be right, it's really silly though. I actually quite enjoy doing stuff like play chess and so on, but I've stopped finding it fun because everyone is really uptight and you have to work harder to be friends with a geek than you do to be friends with a "popular" person, for some reason. Sometimes one of the geeks will say something really rude to me, and even when I get upset everyone just says I'm making too big a deal of it. It's like they don't understand social norms, without sounding hottible. (By "popular", by the way, I mean those people at Uni who know just about everyone, which happens to be those who play a lot of sport and so on - I don't see it as something important.)
Reply 4
Original post by shuheb789
The fact you refer to them as 'geeks' makes you shallow.


What's wrong with the term? It just means someone with a certain set of interests. In fact I'm a "geek" to some extent for having those interests, but I don't act the way they do.
Reply 5
What you decide to do won't make you shallow, it'll just reflect whether you're shallow or not :wink:

I think it would make perfect sense for you to spend time with the people you enjoy the company of more. You seem to have grown apart from one group of friends anyway (be it your 'fault' or theirs), and indeed resent some of their behaviour towards you.

You can't be friends with everyone you meet, and even the friendships you do make can fade away.
Spend time with whoever you want, if the so-called "geeks" don't like it then balls to them. They're not the boss of you.
Reply 7
Original post by paddlesnap
Spend time with whoever you want, if the so-called "geeks" don't like it then balls to them. They're not the boss of you.


That's what I'm planning to do, but how do I manage to pursue my interests (like playing chess) and still then get on with them? I don't know why they resent me so much just for being a bit different.
Reply 8
i never label with one group. I just do what i like within moral reason and flip whatever cliques think.
Reply 9
Original post by Anonymous
That's what I'm planning to do, but how do I manage to pursue my interests (like playing chess) and still then get on with them? I don't know why they resent me so much just for being a bit different.


You could play chess online? It's probably not healthy for you to try to stay friends with people who resent you, and who you resent as well.
Original post by Anonymous
That's what I'm planning to do, but how do I manage to pursue my interests (like playing chess) and still then get on with them? I don't know why they resent me so much just for being a bit different.


All you can do is be open, honest and genuine. If they throw that back in your face it's down to their own insecurities, so if you don't react they will either feel like an idiot and stop or they were never a good friend in the first place. People almost always come to like someone who is never aggressive or negative towards them, but if you say anything bad, even in self defence, they will react to it.

Perhaps some of your 'normal' friends would enjoy chess? I've found that when pushed people frequently don't entirely fit the parts they play in the massive dance that is school / university social life. :smile:
Reply 11
Original post by Hopple
You could play chess online? It's probably not healthy for you to try to stay friends with people who resent you, and who you resent as well.


A few of them are alright, but I can't just hang out with those ones. That said, I'm not sure whether I want to give up the friends who aren't outright rude to me very often, and whom I sometimes get on OK with, but often obviously don't seem to listen to me as much as they do people they consider more traditionally "intellectual." They're usually polite, but just don't text/talk to me as much, or occasionally talk down to me/"zone out" when I'm speaking to them which I find insulting. It's like there's an unspoken agreement I've been ostracised from the group.
You've kind of answered it yourself, and it seems that you would rather hang out with your sporty friends. And why not! Do what makes you happy and what comes natural to you. You shouldn't have to make the extra effort to be yourself or "impress" your geek friends. And at the same time, stay friendly with them; if I were you I'd have the best of both worlds and hang out with both! Hope this helps :smile:


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Aren't you the girl who posted before about this just be friends with who you want to.
Reply 14
Spend time with the people you get on with, it wont make you shallow
Reply 15
Original post by Octohedral
All you can do is be open, honest and genuine. If they throw that back in your face it's down to their own insecurities, so if you don't react they will either feel like an idiot and stop or they were never a good friend in the first place. People almost always come to like someone who is never aggressive or negative towards them, but if you say anything bad, even in self defence, they will react to it.

Perhaps some of your 'normal' friends would enjoy chess? I've found that when pushed people frequently don't entirely fit the parts they play in the massive dance that is school / university social life. :smile:


I'm naturally very down-to-earth and straightforward, and I try to be polite, but whenever I'm honest about what I think about stuff my geeky friends often make fun of it, try to disprove me with a witty but frankly rude response, or reply "mmm" in a way that shows they weren't really listening. And lately I've felt like I'm just begging for scraps of their attention, so I just haven't talked to them much at all.

A lot of the "geekier" societies I'm in have a bad reputation among my friends from the Students' Union, which has surprised me but apparently some people I know on the committees are rude towards the SU people when organising events and stuff; I would guess they don't like them. So they won't come with me, and the sporty people (who are generally quite nice) do have a perception of these societies as being full of introverted people who lack social skills, so I've asked but they won't come along. I used to think they were being really snobby and still do, but I think they may have a point.
Reply 16
Are you sure you actually being ostracized and you're not seeking out justification to leave a group you no longer feel you have a connection to. Not that not having having justification to leave a group is a bad thing, everyone is entitled to socialise with who they want.
Reply 17
Original post by Dualcore
Are you sure you actually being ostracized and you're not seeking out justification to leave a group you no longer feel you have a connection to. Not that not having having justification to leave a group is a bad thing, everyone is entitled to socialise with who they want.


I definitely haven't just imagined it. There are times when I haven't been invited to people's birthdays (people whom I've known since first year) and on nights out and stuff as well as just having stuff said to my face and getting a really cold vibe off some people.
I'd just leave the "geeky" group. Like you said if they're not real friends than you won't contact them after uni so you may as well spend what time you have left with people who act like real friends.

Regarding trying to get you better friends into your other activities maybe offer to teach them one on one? If they have this idea that the other societies will be full of people judging them, they will hardly want to turn up and inevitably do badly. Or just go to the societies to play chess or whatever and don't engage in stuff outside the club with them unless invited?
Reply 19
At first I thought these 'friends' of yours (you know, the ones that you kindly labeled 'geeks') were in the wrong; the rest of your posts however... Well, they tell a different story. It seems as though due to a lack of intellectual prowess in comparison to your respective peers, you aren't receiving the attention you so obviously crave. It's not their fault you can't keep up with their ****. Enjoy your 'popular friends'
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