I want to join the British Army, I'm a Muslim

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I'm a teen, a Muslim originally from Pakistan and born to two practicing parents, I'm semi-practicing and basically when I'm older I want to join the British Army.

I know both sides of the story from Afghanistan and UK, and now issues in Syria are arising, and what is happening is that the government don't care about the people, just innocent lives taken away but mass murderers and disgusting human beings, I'd like to stop all these attack by joining up the army.

However I do have a few issues

1) I discussed this with my parents and they'd rather I didn't and rather me join the Police, not exactly my ideal career choice, I wanted to become a doctor, but this is never going to happen

2) How would all the Muslim community around my area feel, and I don't mind what they say about me, but I don't want it reflected on my parents, and majority of my friends are Muslim, so it'd be even more awkward

3) I heard some soldiers are racist, even Prince Harry, who was caught using the word Paki, I'm not exactly the best person to talk to if you want racial banter, and if I was to, this would put my off, of course I can't stereotype however that some soldiers are racist etc, but I heard many are also rude???

4) I know what some people think of the Army, and radicals may make me feel ashamed of joining them, saying I've joined people who kill Muslims etc

5) What happens if the army turns out worse, like if they do just kill for oil etc

And what should I do at the moment to make sure my list of recruitment in the future would be much higher, I'd prefer Army or Navy, so should I join the cadets or something? Thanks.

P.S: If you offended by any of these, I didn't mean it in a bad way, any of these posts.

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(Original post by Pendulum3)
I'm a teen, a Muslim originally from Pakistan and born to two practicing parents, I'm semi-practicing and basically when I'm older I want to join the British Army.

I know both sides of the story from Afghanistan and UK, and now issues in Syria are arising, and what is happening is that the government don't care about the people, just innocent lives taken away but mass murderers and disgusting human beings, I'd like to stop all these attack by joining up the army.

However I do have a few issues

1) I discussed this with my parents and they'd rather I didn't and rather me join the Police, not exactly my ideal career choice, I wanted to become a doctor, but this is never going to happen

2) How would all the Muslim community around my area feel, and I don't mind what they say about me, but I don't want it reflected on my parents, and majority of my friends are Muslim, so it'd be even more awkward

3) I heard some soldiers are racist, even Prince Harry, who was caught using the word Paki, I'm not exactly the best person to talk to if you want racial banter, and if I was to, this would put my off, of course I can't stereotype however that some soldiers are racist etc, but I heard many are also rude???

4) I know what some people think of the Army, and radicals may make me feel ashamed of joining them, saying I've joined people who kill Muslims etc

5) What happens if the army turns out worse, like if they do just kill for oil etc

And what should I do at the moment to make sure my list of recruitment in the future would be much higher, I'd prefer Army or Navy, so should I join the cadets or something? Thanks.

P.S: If you offended by any of these, I didn't mean it in a bad way, any of these posts.

If you want to join the army, join it. It's your life, what's the problem? Parents and radicals don't approve? Diddams to them. If you encounter any racism, report it to your superior officer.

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Well I really wouldn't recommend it, but good luck if it's what you choose.
By the way you'd be by no means the only one:
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If you want to join the army, join it. It's your life, what's the problem? Parents and radicals don't approve? Diddams to them. If you encounter any racism, report it to your superior officer.

I guess, but my parents biggest concern is the death of there son, this is why.

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I used to be a corporal in the army cadet force, obviously this is different to the real army and the reservists. First of all may I commened you on your bravery, I myself am a Muslim, and in the army there is no such thing as a Muslim, Jew, Hindu. Everyone is equal, brothers in essence. Yes there are racial elements but this confines to banter. There are many muslims in the army and there are organisations within it that help ethnic minorities. Overall it's a commendable decision. If you need extra info pm me.

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Mate do what you want with your life.
it is your life to hell with what others think.
If you are under 18 and preferably around the age of 15 join the ACF for the Army experience kind of not the full thing but it kinda is.
If you want to join the Army aim high try the Paras

Paras enjoy black humour they have to they jump out of planes and get the best pay for the infantry

Number 1 its your life
Number 2. really depends but as i said before it is your life it wont be awkward it shouldn't be
number 3. well banter is banter most of the time its all said in jest racist stuff however the British army will not tolerate.
Number 4. Well they also kill Muslims Join if you want
number 5. They dont i promise you this

Source: British Army Cadet and British Army Recruit post BARB Pre-PRAC

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Oxymoron list.

3 Pretty Ugly
2. Virtual Reality
1. Muslims in a non Muslim Army

You're abandoning Waraa wal Baraa and you're opening the door to many fitan. This should be a no go for any Muslim, practising or not. if you're fighting against Muslims (which will inevitable happen), Allahu a'lam what your situation will be on the day of Judgement. If you die fighting for this cause, just know it is not for the sake of Allah and you're not considered a shaheed.

As a naseeha, I'd say for you to stay away from it. Why not join the Mujahideen is my question to you.

Wallahu a'lam.

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You might face a bit of racism. Squaddies aren't ones for being PC. If you aren't too sensitive you'll fit in fine and if you are then they'll soon **** up if you report them.

Squaddies are generally not the smartest people and they are fighting Muslim extremists. You'd expect them to be a little prejudice.

Sorry if I offend any soldiers. I know I'm generalising.

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(Original post by Pendulum3)
I'm a teen, a Muslim originally from Pakistan and born to two practicing parents, I'm semi-practicing and basically when I'm older I want to join the British Army.

I know both sides of the story from Afghanistan and UK, and now issues in Syria are arising, and what is happening is that the government don't care about the people, just innocent lives taken away but mass murderers and disgusting human beings, I'd like to stop all these attack by joining up the army.

However I do have a few issues

1) I discussed this with my parents and they'd rather I didn't and rather me join the Police, not exactly my ideal career choice, I wanted to become a doctor, but this is never going to happen

2) How would all the Muslim community around my area feel, and I don't mind what they say about me, but I don't want it reflected on my parents, and majority of my friends are Muslim, so it'd be even more awkward

3) I heard some soldiers are racist, even Prince Harry, who was caught using the word Paki, I'm not exactly the best person to talk to if you want racial banter, and if I was to, this would put my off, of course I can't stereotype however that some soldiers are racist etc, but I heard many are also rude???

4) I know what some people think of the Army, and radicals may make me feel ashamed of joining them, saying I've joined people who kill Muslims etc

5) What happens if the army turns out worse, like if they do just kill for oil etc

And what should I do at the moment to make sure my list of recruitment in the future would be much higher, I'd prefer Army or Navy, so should I join the cadets or something? Thanks.

P.S: If you offended by any of these, I didn't mean it in a bad way, any of these posts.

I don't see your angle for joining army- you mention you have a problem with mas murders in afgan and Syria? we are nt going to fight in Syria for a start. I would aslo not advise those with political agendas to join army on this basis- whichever side you are on Syria conflict is not relevant to the brtish army. But facts re there are plenty of effectively criminal muslims in afgansitan who have to be taken downas, many of whom are still killing innocent muslims there too. Your own background should not interfere with doing this job, or even doing the right thing. However in the bigger picture, as a soldier you should be a-political and follow orders of policy. hence a highly extremist or politcised muslim will not fit in uk army (or any army for that matter) Policital stances change with the changing seasons. in ters of racist comments- the army is a sample of population, most id suggest are highly uneducated and not paricualry bright grunts (prince harry is hardly the sharpest too in the box either) So many will have racist views, many wont, you are just expected to deal with it in the army. contrary to popular beilef most of your average soldiers arnt moralistic heroes either. they joined the army for the salary, a solid career and the chance to travel and shoot at people, that is the cold facts- this goes for all armies not just the UK. as long as you don't read anymore into service than this youll be fine- being a soldier is not for everyone.

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And don't listen to Reform. He's crazy.

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(Original post by Reform)
Oxymoron list.

3 Pretty Ugly
2. Virtual Reality
1. Muslims in a non Muslim Army

You're abandoning Waraa wal Baraa and you're opening the door to many fitan. This should be a no go for any Muslim, practising or not. if you're fighting against Muslims (which will inevitable happen), Allahu a'lam what your situation will be on the day of Judgement. If you die fighting for this cause, just know it is not for the sake of Allah and you're not considered a shaheed.

As a naseeha, I'd say for you to stay away from it. Why not join the Mujahideen is my question to you.

Wallahu a'lam.

^ Don't know what any of that means, so I won't pass any judgements.

What I will say is that you need to consider why you're joining. Does your Muslim background prevent you from joining up? Of course not. Inevitably, you will probably enter combat against Muslims if you are deployed, but you might not; You're out of the catchment for deployment to Afghanistan.

Is the fact that you feel restrained because of Islamic dogma what is making you question this? The poster I quoted obviously feels that you should not do this, and instead join the Mujahideen........ Is this what you want? Do you want to fight people on the basis of your religion?

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here. You need to recognise that the British Army help countless people across the planet. You think that there aren't Cheiftens that we're suppressed by the Taliban and exploited that have been helped by British intervention?

Do you think that the oppression of women by the Taliban is justified?

At the end of the day, joining the Army does not mean signing your life away on a Crusade against people, it only is if you choose it. You can do a lot of good in the Army, or a lot of bad. The choice is yours.

To me, the question you face is do you join the Army due to pressure from your Muslim friends and family. The question I have for you is, is someone good/bad because they're a Muslim? No. You can go to Afghanistan and kill a Muslim that was a abhorrent, violent rapist, or you could go and help people that required aid. You shouldn't be basing this on a religious basis, as it really isn't a religious battle (as the poster I quoted is trying to put it out to be).

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(Original post by Reform)
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In any case, the Mujahideen are among those who fight solely for the sake of Allah. Joining other armies (and fighting with them) goes against this. Fighting Muslims while you're in another army should give you reason to question your beliefs (if you're Muslim).

The only exception to this is

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/3885

and Allah knows best.

So the question I pose to the OP after this post, is are you living your life for yourself and your own destiny, or do you live to do everything in the name of Allah?

The question that is arising from this thread, that will ultimately decide your decision is; Are a you devout enough Muslim to not do something that you seem to want to do, because a non-proven entity says it is wrong?

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(Original post by Reform)
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In any case, the Mujahideen are among those who fight solely for the sake of Allah. Joining other armies (and fighting with them) goes against this. Fighting Muslims while you're in another army should give you reason to question your beliefs (if you're Muslim).

The only exception to this is

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/3885

and Allah knows best.

perhaps the morality (and common sense) of fighting terrorist enablers like the taleban and al queda is more important in the real world that these 'beleifs' you claim

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I have a lot of respect for soldiers - the army is my ultimate back up plan if I fail in my other plans for careers, so I've looked into it quite a lot and there's so many options. Go on the army jobs website - they have so much information that it opens up an entire section of the army that you never think about at all.

If that's what you want to do, do it. It would be nice to have more muslims in the armed forces - it would help prevent the notion that all soldiers hate Muslims.

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(Original post by Jacob :))
You might face a bit of racism. Squaddies aren't ones for being PC. If you aren't too sensitive you'll fit in fine and if you are then they'll soon **** up if you report them.

Squaddies are generally not the smartest people and they are fighting Muslim extremists. You'd expect them to be a little prejudice.

Sorry if I offend any soldiers. I know I'm generalising.

I think in the military courage and foresight are valued more greatly than educational ability. Not to undermine their personal levels of intelligence though, that is a huge generalisation.
Most people who serve in the military don't do so for their entire lives and that speaks for the diversity of the forces. People in the forces join to prove to themselves that they can and you'll be surprised to find how well educated so many serving are; doctors and nuclear engineers for example?
Add to that the statistic which I can't exactly remember but something like 60% of officers and lieutenants were privately educated.

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I don't see why in the world anyone would want to join the Armed Forces. Abhorrent.

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I commend you for that. But the idea of living with a bunch of racist chavs who only joined the army to shoot "brown people" for an x amount of years just seems like a waste of a life.

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(Original post by SuperHanss)
I think in the military courage and foresight are valued more greatly than educational ability. Not to undermine their personal levels of intelligence though, that is a huge generalisation.
Most people who serve in the military don't do so for their entire lives and that speaks for the diversity of the forces. People in the forces join to prove to themselves that they can and you'll be surprised to find how well educated so many serving are; doctors and nuclear engineers for example?
Add to that the statistic which I can't exactly remember but something like 60% of officers and lieutenants were privately educated.

if you are highly intelligent had the correct disposition and want to be in armed forced youd be put in for officers exams or at highest level, into military intelligence, but this is prob for less than 10% or total armed forces and not likely relevant to the OP. Other officers get promoted by experience.

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I'd like to stop all these attack by joining up the army.

You won't. You don't get a choice in where you're sent. You're not going to be only doing the jobs you want t0 do.

However I do have a few issues
1) I discussed this with my parents and they'd rather I didn't and rather me join the Police, not exactly my ideal career choice, I wanted to become a doctor, but this is never going to happen

If you're over 18 you don't need their permission. But beyond that, it's up to you.

2) How would all the Muslim community around my area feel, and I don't mind what they say about me, but I don't want it reflected on my parents, and majority of my friends are Muslim, so it'd be even more awkward

Some will approve, some will disapprove, some won't care. You wouldn't be the first nor would you be the last Muslim to join and serve. No matter what you do in life, someone won't like it - if you're holding out for universal appreciation, then tough.

3) I heard some soldiers are racist, even Prince Harry, who was caught using the word Paki, I'm not exactly the best person to talk to if you want racial banter, and if I was to, this would put my off, of course I can't stereotype however that some soldiers are racist etc, but I heard many are also rude???

Some people are rude. Some people are racist. Hardly new information. Being in the Army doesn't mean someone's got special powers. Anything society has, the Army (and the others) will also have. Rudeness is subjective.

4) I know what some people think of the Army, and radicals may make me feel ashamed of joining them, saying I've joined people who kill Muslims etc

See 2.

5) What happens if the army turns out worse, like if they do just kill for oil etc

If you don't like it, you can leave. It's a volunteer army, not a conscription. But they do not "just kill for oil".

And what should I do at the moment to make sure my list of recruitment in the future would be much higher, I'd prefer Army or Navy, so should I join the cadets or something?

Research. Find ut what you want to do in whichever service. You don't just "join the army and wear green", you join as something, to do a specific job. If you're <16 then definitely, join cadets. Doesn't matter whether it's Army, Sea or Air Cadets, they're all pretty good. But in the meantime, do well at school. Any decent job in the forces needs qualifications.

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