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well i think rock music does cause violence my friend has started smashin things and beatin up people and he listens to rock so yeh thats all i have to say bout that
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well i think rock music does cause violence my friend has started smashin things and beatin up people and he listens to rock so yeh thats all i have to say bout that
Arn't there a couple of threads on this already?

If your friend is that aggresive, he should go to a couple of concerts, take it out on other rockers. And I get more aggressive after the black eyed peas than after manson, just before I get suicidal.
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That is the most stupid statement ever, how does someones music taste change the way they act, surely it would be thier personality that dictates thier taste in music. From my experience, 'rockers' are far more laid back and less likely to be voilent.
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well i think rock music does cause violence my friend has started smashin things and beatin up people and he listens to rock so yeh thats all i have to say bout that
Ridiculous! :rolleyes: Music does not cause violence, at the most all it can do is influence it, however it takes an easily influenced person with underlying problems to listen to a song and go out and act on the lyrics. Your friends attitude and actions are his own result not that of the music he listens to.
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That is the most stupid statement ever, how does someones music taste change the way they act, surely it would be thier personality that dictates thier taste in music. From my experience, 'rockers' are far more laid back and less likely to be voilent.
Why is it stupid? Plenty of people make the statement that rap is a bad influence and causes gun crime.

Liking a type of music often makes you join the club of those people who share this liking and you often do things asosciated with this type of music. Although this isn't usually forced, the person wants to join.
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Well as said above Just because your friend is violent & listens 2 rock music doesn't mean Rock music = violent Actually I think it might be Violence = rock music more seeing as it acts as a release for the violent ppl I know. Violence is an attitude/ frame of mind that really is always there.
Then again if he likes rock music ALOT then he might be copying what is sung about/ in videos/ even what artists do (I know one that poured milk over everyone at a concert!) It really depends; what music does ure friend listen to? How avid is he about them? Does he read magazines/ watch their videos? Maybe if you answered those questions you could tell more easily
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How anyone can say rock music causes violence is astounding. OK - sometimes the lyrics deal with aggressive issues, but 'm sure the vast majority of rockers out there understand the difference between listening and actually going out and doing. There are times when I feel angry and annoyed and put on some metal, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go out and kill or 'f**k **** up'. As someone else rightly pointed out, rock fans tend to be among the most laid back and chilled ppl I know - we love the music, and ok being a bit lively may be a way of expressing our love for it, but by no means are rock fans all violent animals.

It's usually those with lack of self-confidence or the easily misguided who are foolish enough to listen to a song about death and then go out and kill. These are the type of people who will think suicide is cool simply because Kurt Cobain did it. Most rock fans have the strength of mind to realise how music is just entertainment, not an instruction manual on how to live.
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As part of the wider argument, our media can and does influence people to follow lifestyles that they might otherwise not do so.

My theory goes likes this; if we accept that advertising is effective (and it is, otherwise companies - and the government - in the UK wouldn't spend upwards of £5Bpa on it), then what we are saying is that articles and items in the media can change people's buying habits.

If we also bear in mind that a lot of advertising does not use a traditional 'sell' (BUY XYZ beer, it tastes quite nice and has a moderate alcoholic strength) but rather focusses on lifestyle choices (XYZ beer is drunk by people who are impossibly cool and good-looking, like you!) then you have to accept that it is image and perception that sell and - more importantly - advocate the message.

So, if that is the case, then we have to accept that images in the media outwith advertising can also have that effect; anecdotally, we know they do. Does anyone remember kids having 'sprutty' hair before Beckham? Or anyone wearing tea-cosy hats before he did? Some people will always copy style and behaviour that they see in celebrities.

So, we conclude that through the media, images and perceptions can change people's buying habits and lifestyle choices. Is it such a leap of faith to say that what you see and listen to can prompt you to follow 'bad examples' as well as trivial ones?

It is so ridiculous to suggest that a steady diet of cop-killing, women demeaning, bling-blinging rap videos could just turn young kids onto the gangsta' lifestyle? And from there, could they actually get involved?

And maybe if you are continually exposed to violent pornography, rape and slasher vids, is it possible that you might just want to get some of that yourself?

I call for more seperatism rather than more censorship; children should be protected from 'wrong-message' media, particularly if it is associated with 'role models'. Reach 18, and you make your own decisions.

Face it, as we become more de-sensitised to violence, as music, soaps and the wider media becomes more daring, as we become more tolerant as a society, we will experience the fallout more and more often. Mary Whitehouse may have been a touch mad, but she may well also have been right - just before her time.
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well i think rock music does cause violence my friend has started smashin things and beatin up people and he listens to rock so yeh thats all i have to say bout that
Just listening to rock wont make you into a crazy lunatic. It wont make you bash n smash things, or beat people. Iv done those things, and i dont listen to any hard rock, heavy metal, or any of the sutch.
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i am a huge Nirvana fan - have shouted the hateful lyrics of Rage Against The Machine - and am going to see the Chili Peppers this summer at Hyde Park - to be honest with you rock made me even more confident than i already was - it doesnt make me violent at all - it depends how seriously you take the lyrics or how sensible you are anyway - naturally violent people will become violent listening to the music because it is exhilarating.
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Rock music can't cause violence that is absurd, certainly not anymore in such a widely cultured society in which people are shocked less easily.

Violence was strongly associated with the 1970's punk era, sex pistols, ramones etc...Basically the music brought lots of people together from similar backgrounds, in some senses poverty and experiencing the urban decline of UK cities. The music was just a tool or voice for those people to express themselves, it just happens that violence was a part of that.

If anything the 'hiphop or gangster rap' or whatever its called is much worse, it has very similar effects to punk in that again people are brought together from the slums and poor areas and gives them a voice.

These lyrics are quite famous i think, from an artist of the 1990's.:

I'm shooting *****'s quick if they hiccup, don't let me fill my clip up in your back and head..."

lovely :rolleyes:
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Rock music can't cause violence that is absurd, certainly not anymore in such a widely cultured society in which people are shocked less easily.

Violence was strongly associated with the 1970's punk era, sex pistols, ramones etc...Basically the music brought lots of people together from similar backgrounds, in some senses poverty and experiencing the urban decline of UK cities. The music was just a tool or voice for those people to express themselves, it just happens that violence was a part of that.

If anything the 'hiphop or gangster rap' or whatever its called is much worse, it has very similar effects to punk in that again people are brought together from the slums and poor areas and gives them a voice.

These lyrics are quite famous i think, from an artist of the 1990's.:

I'm shooting *****'s quick if they hiccup, don't let me fill my clip up in your back and head..."

lovely :rolleyes:
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WOW! SO MUCH EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM! :rolleyes:

Everbeen to a rap concert? I don't think you have! HA HA HA

Oh man! There is ssooo much violence!

HA HA HA Those are just words buddy. Music doesn't reall make you do things, it doesnt load that gun and **** it too!
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WOW! SO MUCH EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM! :rolleyes:
Everbeen to a rap concert? I don't think you have! HA HA HA
Oh man! There is ssooo much violence!
HA HA HA Those are just words buddy. Music doesn't reall make you do things, it doesnt load that gun and **** it too!
No i have never been to a rap concert, you are correct.

Did you even read my post, i didn't say that, i'm sorry you got that impression. :rolleyes:

Also i am under the impression that at a 50pence concert there have been shootings, i'll have a dig around...
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Music has certain emotions that can be related to it. A lot of rock music can be violent, which is why mosh pits were invented. However, a lot of rock music isn't, I listen to bands such as Placebo, Rancid, Green Day, and Incubus to name a few, and a lot of their songs have nothing to do with violence.

Rock music covers a huge expanse of genre's from metal and hardcore, to punk and emo, so it's impossible to create a link between rock and violence... Listen to Green Day- Good Riddance if you don't believe me. It's one of the best songs ever recorded, in my opinion... And also the least violent.
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No i have never been to a rap concert, you are correct.

Did you even read my post, i didn't say that, i'm sorry you got that impression. :rolleyes:

Also i am under the impression that at a 50pence concert there have been shootings, i'll have a dig around...
Oh thats reall good buddy, do some digging...it will really help. But theres violence around almost every music. Including rock...I'm just saying though, its not the musics fault. Music isn't making these kids to do the crime. Music can't make you do anything.
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Oh thats reall good buddy, do some digging...it will really help. But theres violence around almost every music. Includin rock...I'm just saying though, its not the musics fault. Music isn't making these kids to do the crime. Music can't make you do anything.
I didn't say it did But the fact remains that hip hop, or certain strands of it are related to violence and gun culture.

Music can't make you do anything
I disagree, music can make you dance, or tap your feet as a neejerk reaction, also if you hear a song you may humm or have it playing in your head

I did do some digging, i found a couple of articles which were relevant but didn't really illustrate the point.
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I didn't say it did But the fact remains that hip hop, or certain strands of it are related to violence and gun culture.

I disagree, music can make you dance, or tap your feet as a neejerk reaction, also if you hear a song you may humm or have it playing in your head

I did do some digging, i found a couple of articles which were relevant but didn't really illustrate the point.


Gun culture? Where is this gun culture? I see no gun culture. Just people with guns. How is it a culture?

Again, music can't MAKE you do anything, you decide to. A kid hears his favorite song on the radio, he decides to dance. Tapping your feet. You hear the music, feel the music and its beats, and you react to the music. You react by tapping your feet, you decide to tap your feet. The music doesn't make you tap your feet. The music isn't making the kid dance.
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