Remove RE/Citizenship From The Curriculum And Replace With Programming! Watch

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Its really backwards why as a country we do not do this. Not only is RE/Citizenship completely overlooked in education, to a point where they feel like a waste of time the exams are poorly set out and the lessons I had felt as if they forced us to learn RE/Citizenship. Would it not be better to replace RE with programming? Programming is a very versatile skill providing logical thinking and often creating your own creative solutions to problems. Its arguably far more useful also.

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You need a little bit of citizenship to prepare pupils for the world outside school.

I would swap programming for RE in a heartbeat, but I don't think it would have much of an effect because in the current timetable there are too many subjects and too few lessons.

I am with you though in general in that I would definitely offer Programming and I would do it by streamlining the timetable:

Daily timetable MON-FRI:
1h Maths
1h Science
1h English
1h Foreign language(s)
2h Practical Subject 1 or Creative Arts &Technology (Music, Art, Engineering, Programming)
[2h Practical Subject 2 or Sports]

+ workshops or excursions on SATurday mornings on History / Geography / Politics / RE / People Skills.

Start at 8 am, finish at 3pm (schools that offer just 1 practical subject to each pupil) or 5pm (schools that offer 2 practical subjects to each pupil).

In primary school, pupils would do a mix of Music, Art, Engineering and Programming, plus 2h Sports every day. In secondary school, each pupil could choose two practical specialisms from Engineering, Computing, Music, Art, Media, Sports or Social Enterprise and become an expert in both (10 hours per week, over 5 years of secondary school, at 38 weeks per schoolyear = 1900 hours honing skills in practical specialism = excellent).

Edit: of couse that could never happen for many reasons (not least lack of qualified staff); it's just what I think would be great in an ideal world.
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_Remind me what is learnt in citizenship_? _my memory tells me those lessons were a waste of time.- _(key board is screwed,# sorry_)
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RE/Citizenship sucks in its current state, but I don't think it's an inherently bad idea to make people have a general grip on society and religion.

Programming's a pretty overrated skill because, and I say that as a CompSci student, it's just not going to have that much of a profound impact on most people's lives and maths already covers a lot of the critical thinking/logic angles. A lot of the sciencey-engineering types will pick it up later in life anyway not to develop those skills but because of their natural logic/critical tendencies, while the English/History/Law/Media types will be happy to carry on not giving a **** about something that never appealed to them in the first place.

If you want something that'll stick with people and actually be useful to everyone, you're better off teaching them basic economics/finances. Hell, I'd love to have a course teaching me how to live on my own and I'm an adult.
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You need a little bit of citizenship to prepare pupils for the world outside school.
Not really, you could get rid of PSHE, but make say 3 lessons of sex education compulsory, and the school can fit those lessons in anytime they want in the week.

Apart from sex education, what else is really necessary?

I don't remember a single thing from 5 years of PSHE lessons.
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Not really, you could get rid of PSHE, but make say 3 lessons of sex education compulsory, and the school can fit those lessons in anytime they want in the week.

Apart from sex education, what else is really necessary?

I don't remember a single thing from 5 years of PSHE lessons.

Sex education wasnt necessary.
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What is the need for millions of inadequate programmers
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Only Michael Gove would make a suggestion like this.
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I agree that programming is incredibly useful and should be taught from a young age.

I don't think RE should be replaced though, it's also very useful and it teaches not only tolerance but also understanding that there are faiths outside what you had in your own home and possibly encourage pupils to question the faiths they were brought up with.
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Re shouldn't be replaced...No no, we have enough islamphobes and racists and ignorant people as it is.
Add programming as an extra subject.
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Not really, you could get rid of PSHE, but make say 3 lessons of sex education compulsory, and the school can fit those lessons in anytime they want in the week.

Apart from sex education, what else is really necessary?

I don't remember a single thing from 5 years of PSHE lessons.
In primary school it's about diversity, accepting others, fire safety, emergency services, CPR, first aid, stranger danger etc. So I think it's pretty important.

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In the current climate, do you really think that ridding our youth of understanding religion is a wise move?
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In the current climate, do you really think that ridding our youth of understanding religion is a wise move?
Why would I waste my time learning about things that actually didnt happen?
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The govt have already committed to teach programming in schools, although they have been more sensible in removing IT instead of Religion.

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Why would I waste my time learning about things that actually didnt happen?
Edgy.
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For those who can't remember anything from their Citizenship lessons, here is an overview of what you should have been taught:

(Original post by AQA)
Theme 1 – Community Action and Active Citizenship
  • What factors make for effective 'active citizenship'?
  • Who can make a difference?
  • How and why are Citizenship issues relevant in the workplace?

Theme 2 – Being a Citizen in the UK: Democracy and Identity
  • What are the roles of Parliament and Government?
  • How can citizens participate in democratic processes, particularly elections and voting?
  • The origins and implications of the diverse national, regional, religious and ethnic identities in the United Kingdom and the need for mutual respect and understanding
  • How can ethnic identity, religion and culture affect community life? How can individuals, schools and communities promote equal opportunities and community cohesion?

Theme 3 – Fairness and Justice
  • What are my rights and responsibilities as a British citizen within a broader framework of human rights?
  • How are citizens’ lives affected by the law?
  • How effective is the criminal justice system?
  • Why does the media matter and how influential is it?

Theme 4 – Global Issues and Making a Difference
  • How effective are the key international bodies in dealing with important international and global issues? In particular: international disagreements and conflict and human rights and international humanitarian law abuses
  • What are the challenges faced by the global community in relation to inequalities and interdependence and how might these challenges be dealt with?
  • What are the challenges of global interdependence and how might they be tackled?
  • Why should British citizens care about, or be involved in, world affairs?
  • How are international issues influenced by individuals, pressure groups, voluntary groups and NGOs, the media and governments (with the aid of case studies)?
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(Original post by bembem)
Why would I waste my time learning about things that actually didnt happen?
Just because you don't think that they didn't happen doesn't mean that other people don't too. How are you supposed to have a reasoned argument without the facts?
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Just because you don't think that they didn't happen doesn't mean that other people don't too. How are you supposed to have a reasoned argument without the facts?
You're totally right, we can just do what religious people do best, bury their heads in the sand!
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You're totally right, we can just do what religious people do best, bury their heads in the sand!
I have absolutely no intention of doing what religious people do, that would make us just as bad as them and I have no intention or desire to be that low.
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(Original post by Sheldor)
In primary school it's about diversity, accepting others, fire safety, emergency services, CPR, first aid, stranger danger etc. So I think it's pretty important.

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They can retain it in primary school but remove it from secondary school then?
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(Original post by bembem)
You're totally right, we can just do what religious people do best, bury their heads in the sand!
Attitudes like these are exactly why we need RE, albeit a better version of it than we have now. Intolerant/ignorant mindsets are what RE is meant to challenge, in both religious and irreligious persons. Not liking/disagreeing with something does not make it unimportant.


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