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What do you all think of this article?

Do you think it's taking 'free speech' with a pinch of salt? Where will the prohibitive measures end? Are they trying to stop all creators of adult film, or just those which subscribe to 'morally dangerous' tastes?

Personally, I fear that merely putting more security controls on this sort of thing isn't going to help anyone at all. Children and youngsters are adept at getting round these (I should know, having been a kid myself once). 'Thou shalt not' invariably prompts a response of 'Well, I shall try my hardest'.

I didn't even know that 'rape porn' existed. I'm just confused because where does S&M lead to rape? How do you draw lines? I mean, some of the stuff out there looks pretty foul in my eyes, but I have read sensitive arguments by people who engage in S&M playfully.

Can we rely on having such nuanced considerations when it comes to deciding whether to ban or not to ban?
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simulated rape brings up many questions..

As its only simulated, and takes place between 2 fully consenting adults, meerly playing out a fantasy.. in its self it harms no one, and is mearly consentual kinky sex..

But.. it may have bad implications.. if they can show that it can (in certian cases) be a gateway into actual rape.. (when the fantasies stop becoming fullfilling).. or that it helps normalise rape culture.. etc.

Then should it be illegal?

Should something which, in itself is perfectly ok --- but may lead to something which is very much not, be illegal?
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on the other hand.. the LGBT community are always the ones who suffer under these sorts of filters..

As inverably LGBT related pages are placed in the 'banned' pile...

I remember at university not being able to look up 'transsexual' without massive warnings comming up 'you are looking at a page with adult content, be warned this may not be tolerated by the university' etc. etc.

Its also been seen in public libraries, where the words 'gay' and 'lesbian' were cut off.. - and in schools, where children have had to research LGBT things, only to find informative/normal sights, banned by the filters..

So it may only be a small issue.. but if households are now by-default filtering out LGBT pages... how many young vunerable gay/lesbian/bisexual/trans kids will that leave without information, support, and resources?

(all talking very hypothetically here... but its always a worry when people start to filter the internet)
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
simulated rape brings up many questions..

As its only simulated, and takes place between 2 fully consenting adults, meerly playing out a fantasy.. in its self it harms no one, and is mearly consentual kinky sex..

But.. it may have bad implications.. if they can show that it can (in certian cases) be a gateway into actual rape.. (when the fantasies stop becoming fullfilling).. or that it helps normalise rape culture.. etc.

Then should it be illegal?

Should something which, in itself is perfectly ok --- but may lead to something which is very much not, be illegal?
Good point. I think the question is: 'How can we be sure it leads to something that's not o.k?'

Because there are plenty of films and computer games that depict all sorts of violence, but do these lead to violent crime?
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Good point. I think the question is: 'How can we be sure it leads to something that's not o.k?'

Because there are plenty of films and computer games that depict all sorts of violence, but do these lead to violent crime?
Yes, exactly. I remember Prince Harry's ambiguous remark about war being like a real-life computer game, or something like that. Of course, adult film does affect people, no doubt about it. But then, neutrality is a myth: we are going to be influenced by things whether we like it or not.

I think this constant negative attitude to depictions of adult behaviour is a statement more about the philosophies and orientations of the powers that be, rather than the 'thing' itself.

Actually, if schools still have PSE lessons, I do think porn should be brought up as a sensible topic for discussion, without the teachers automatically condemning it.

If there is a constant culture of condemnation, then people's inclinations and habits go underground, with dire consequences sometimes. Last night I watched the film The Cider House Rules, which depicted very successfully what happens when abortions go underground because of thoughtless and blanket legislation prohibiting it.
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Anything illegal should be blocked automatically blocked but everything else should be available.
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P.S. I'm sorry that I overlooked the other thread, over in 'News and Current Affairs'. I didn't think to look there when seeing if something like this had been posted already .
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It's not about porn at all though, it's just an excuse to use censorship for control.
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(Original post by wildrover)
Anything illegal should be blocked automatically blocked but everything else should be available.
Good luck.
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Anything illegal should be blocked automatically blocked but everything else should be available.

Nah.
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yes online porn should be blocked because it does no good to the public.nevertheless it dull the image of people always
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yes online porn should be blocked because it does no good to the public.nevertheless it dull the image of people always
It does no good for the public? The porn industry is huge, porn accounts for around 37% of the entire internet, and obviously creates thousands if not millions of jobs for the public worldwide.


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It does no good for the public? The porn industry is huge, porn accounts for around 37% of the entire internet, and obviously creates thousands if not millions of jobs for the public worldwide.


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Yes, that is what I feel. I think academics are turning their heads to researching porn, sociologically especially, because it's such a huge part of social life today.

Personally, I have have a kind of respect for the men who wish to act in adult film (I tend only to watch gay porn). One just seems to know when something's not right -- when there isn't spark or passion or enjoyment. You can tell when money is more important than pleasure or trying to create something meaningful. It's not the fault of adult film per se that such a thing is condemned outright; rather, the invasion of capitalist principles into modern life more generally has taken the structure of a many things in a direction which is frightening.

I think what's wrong is when buying and selling becomes and end in itself -- when such precious areas of life which cannot and should not be quantified in order to make monetary gain, are made into something which degrades the content.

There are those videos out there which depict, albeit under a constructed light, some real passion and some real tenderness and intimacy, and you just know it when you see it because they have millions of views.

That such depictions are that popular indicate that ordinary people are hungry for meaningful expressions of physical intimacy, wherever it be on the kinky scale; and it's sad that governments and people afraid of being tarred condemn the structure, rather than the direction in which it has been taken.

I'm not ashamed that I enjoy such things; and I genuinely honour those people who choose to explore sexuality in this way. What saddens me is when capitalism infiltrates and when people feel compelled to 'sell themselves' in order to survive: capitalism laughing at economic subsistence in the face -- that is the truly pornographic, and it becomes that much harder to see humanity in the face of the commodified manikins.
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I'm just confused because where does S&M lead to rape? How do you draw lines? I mean, some of the stuff out there looks pretty foul in my eyes, but I have read sensitive arguments by people who engage in S&M playfully.
When the country brought in laws banning considerate, licensed people from owning guns, gun clubs warned that the government were targeting the wrong people and that the upshot would be MORE illegal firearms and LESS responsibility, making matters WORSE. They have been proved right.

I fear that in banning consensual S&M material, with forums that emphasis the need for discussion, safety, sanity and prior informed agreement, the situation could only be made worse. Instead of experienced people offering help and advice - and correctly identifying abuse and reporting it - people who feel like experimenting will be laying themselves open to abusers and starting nasty cycles of abuse instead of simply indulging in some kinky practices that relieve whatever their desires are.
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yes online porn should be blocked because it does no good to the public.nevertheless it dull the image of people always
Post in the intro thread first.

And I think you're either trolling or misinformed.
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Should something which, in itself is perfectly ok --- but may lead to something which is very much not, be illegal?
Anything - even eating an orange - can lead to something illegal given the right circumstances.

If the only intent of something is, or can be, to lead to harm being done then I support banning it. That's why I have no problem overriding freedom of speech with laws against hate speech.

But something that is mostly benign, or even beneficial, to a certain subset of society should be left alone.

In the long term, freedoms are more important than restrictions because only freedom forces everyone to be more aware - and enables them to be aware - of the choices they make in life. A nanny state lulls all but the criminally-minded into a narrow channel of acceptability by standards which are not of their own making.
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Anything illegal should be blocked automatically blocked but everything else should be available.
If that were the government's policy, they would have forced all cars to go no faster than 70mph.

I never expect a government to be consistent but fast driving kills more and ruins more families than any kind of porn does.

Ban the publication of illegal acts on the Internet? Whatever for? That won't stop it happening, it will merely stop one easy way to get evidence that it did happen.
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Disclaimer : this is all speculation

Can porn ever be a good thing? Obviously for recreational purposes but would having an outlet for sexuality have positive effects? I read an article a while ago about how researchers reckon pedophiles may molest children because they can't get child porn so with no safe way to deal with their desires it comes out in ugly ways (remember not all pedophiles are child molesters). Would a ban on porn lead to more sexual assault, aggression, peeping toms and stuff like that? I understand that they're proposing an opt in service but who wants to sit their parents or partner down and ask to be put on the porn list?
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We can watch people being killed in 18 rated films on tv, we can see dead bodies of real people on the news, but we can't see naked people have sex on a computer.
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Ban the publication of illegal acts on the Internet? Whatever for? That won't stop it happening, it will merely stop one easy way to get evidence that it did happen.
You make a good point. However, on the topic of child abuse in particular, it would help to curb the growing trend of children being abused on demand. Therefore it is still beneficial to prevent these images from being viewed when you take that into consideration.

Live streaming emerged in 2012 as a means of producing and distributing images.
"We're seeing cases where they're effectively being abused to order for paying customers," chief executive Peter Davies told the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23137754
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