Sir george mnoux college - 2nd best in london??

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So i've been hearing a lot about this lately and im quite surprised since woodhouse college is apparently 1st in london.

I was on the bus the other day going past monoux when i saw the big banner saying ''we are ranked 2nd best by the department of education''

The college has a really bad reputation considering how they accept students who failed their gcses to do A levels.
Only a few years ago, the college was rated satisfactory by ofsted and their gcse results are still low.

I know the college is really good for economics, maths and further maths, but can monoux really be 2nd best?
If so, what does this mean for city and islington which apparently is as good as woodhouse.
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Have you never heard of Harrow School, Westminster School and St Paul's School? Hell even Latymer is miles above Woodhouse and Monoux. I'm surprised at you you should know this seeing as you live near Latymer.
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No, i've never heard of them

And why would latymer be so much better than woodhouse? I thought woodhouse is the best college there is in london??
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By the way, Latymer isn't a college. It has a sixth form which is a part of the school.
That may be the reason why it's not included in the figures.
Also Monoux is rather iffy.
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I think that there was some small print to what it is specifically second in London for, defo wasn't for overall collage ;P


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No, i've never heard of them

And why would latymer be so much better than woodhouse? I thought woodhouse is the best college there is in london??
Latymer is better than Woodhouse in the sense that it is much smaller than Woodhouse therefore a better relationship between the teacher and the pupil can be established and more one to one attention is received. Woodhouse has around 500+ students in Lower Sixth and Upper Sixth and as you can imagine this is quite hectic!.
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By the way, Latymer isn't a college. It has a sixth form which is a part of the school.
That may be the reason why it's not included in the figures.
Also Monoux is rather iffy.
Oh yh i forget about latymer being a sixth form! Sir george monoux is really horrible!

But in terms of student satisfaction, which one would be higher?
At latymer, wouldnt the students feel so pressured by teachers? While at woodhouse, theres so much freedom?
There's also the facilities and learning environment.
Wouldn't they make a difference in the student satisfaction??

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I think that there was some small print to what it is specifically second in London for, defo wasn't for overall collage ;P
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The college is well known through out north/east london for it's amazing economics and maths departments.
So im guessing the department of education put the college 2nd best in london for them departments?
And then college decided to lie a bit about the overall college being 2nd best in london?

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Latymer is better than Woodhouse in the sense that it is much smaller than Woodhouse therefore a better relationship between the teacher and the pupil can be established and more one to one attention is received. Woodhouse has around 500+ students in Lower Sixth and Upper Sixth and as you can imagine this is quite hectic!.
I just asked senz72 this question, but i thought i might aswell ask you.

So from what you just said, which one would have a better student satisfaction?
Im guessing latymer for its quality of teaching?
But woodhouse for its very friendly 'outgoing' environment seeing as the students there are given more freedom?
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Oh yh i forget about latymer being a sixth form! Sir george monoux is really horrible!

But in terms of student satisfaction, which one would be higher?
At latymer, wouldnt the students feel so pressured by teachers? While at woodhouse, theres so much freedom?
There's also the facilities and learning environment.
Wouldn't they make a difference in the student satisfaction??


The college is well known through out north/east london for it's amazing economics and maths departments.
So im guessing the department of education put the college 2nd best in london for them departments?
And then college decided to lie a bit about the overall college being 2nd best in london?


I just asked senz72 this question, but i thought i might aswell ask you.

So from what you just said, which one would have a better student satisfaction?
Im guessing latymer for its quality of teaching?
But woodhouse for its very friendly 'outgoing' environment seeing as the students there are given more freedom?

In terms of satisfaction academically: Latymer.
In terms of independence, social atmosphere and self development satisfaction :Woodhouse.

Don't get me wrong, Woodhouse is a fantastic college but if you are after academic stimulation and rigorous teaching go to Latymer.
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In terms of satisfaction academically: Latymer.
In terms of independence, social atmosphere and self development satisfaction :Woodhouse.

Don't get me wrong, Woodhouse is a fantastic college but if you are after academic stimulation and rigorous teaching go to Latymer.
Would a college like leyton be able to put of them together?

Ok maybe they dont get A*/As at leyton, but is the quality of teaching in east london colleges any good?
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Would a college like leyton be able to put of them together?

Ok maybe they dont get A*/As at leyton, but is the quality of teaching in east london colleges any good?

Do you mean is Leyton college a combination of the two?!. If so, I don't think so. A college in East London that could be on par with The Latymer School/ Woodhouse College would probably be Sir George Monoux or even BSix (which is in Hackney) these two colleges are rising slowly but surely.
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Do you mean is Leyton college a combination of the two?!. If so, I don't think so. A college in East London that could be on par with The Latymer School/ Woodhouse College would probably be Sir George Monoux or even BSix (which is in Hackney) these two colleges are rising slowly but surely.
Isnt leyton the best one out of all the colleges in east london?
Sir george monoux, brooke house and newvic seem to all have a bad reputation.
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Isnt leyton the best one out of all the colleges in east london?
Sir george monoux, brooke house and newvic seem to all have a bad reputation.
NewVic has an extremely poor reputation! I know nothing about Brooke House. As far as Sir George Monoux is concerned it had a poor reputation in the past but like I said; it is rising slowly but surely. Leyton has a reputation for being quite a 'ghetto' college, I don't know whether have managed to shake off this reputation, but from what I know it isn't that good. In terms of being the 'best' that is pretty subjective. Each college will differ in strength from department to department, it depends on what subject the college specialises in. So no, I wouldn't class Leyton College as the 'best' college in East London.
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NewVic has an extremely poor reputation! I know nothing about Brooke House. As far as Sir George Monoux is concerned it had a poor reputation in the past but like I said; it is rising slowly but surely. Leyton has a reputation for being quite a 'ghetto' college, I don't know whether have managed to shake off this reputation, but from what I know it isn't that good. In terms of being the 'best' that is pretty subjective. Each college will differ in strength from department to department, it depends on what subject the college specialises in. So no, I wouldn't class Leyton College as the 'best' college in East London.
Yh i get what you mean, i have one last question > Is leyton in anyway improving like sir george monoux is?
I ask because i will be going to leyton for the next 2 years and i was wondering how the college will affect my university application.
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Yh i get what you mean, i have one last question > Is leyton in anyway improving like sir george monoux is?
I ask because i will be going to leyton for the next 2 years and i was wondering how the college will affect my university application.
Leyton College has been renovated and is in the process of more new builds I believe?! This will keep the college looking immaculate and will begin to attract a wider variety of students. In terms of academics according to their recent Ofsted report the college has been rated as 'Good' two times in a row and is not yet Outstanding because:

- Teachers’ planning does not consistently ensure that lesson activities stretch and challenge all students to make the progress they are capable of.
- Standards and success rates are not consistently high for all subject areas.
- Staff do not make enough use of information and communication technology (ICT) to stimulate
and enhance learning in the classroom and beyond.
- Too often, the individual targets agreed with students are not specific or measurable enough.
- Improvement plans and the procedures for improving staff performance are not yet fully effective.

The college staff have probably taken these criticisms into consideration and are currently working on them so that the college can improve. Your college choice will not affect your university application because the university is judging you as an individual not the institution you come from. Just make sure you have good grades, passion and most importantly an interest in your chosen field. I wish you all the best.
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(Original post by Technetium)
Leyton College has been renovated and is in the process of more new builds I believe?! This will keep the college looking immaculate and will begin to attract a wider variety of students. In terms of academics according to their recent Ofsted report the college has been rated as 'Good' two times in a row and is not yet Outstanding because:

- Teachers’ planning does not consistently ensure that lesson activities stretch and challenge all students to make the progress they are capable of.
- Standards and success rates are not consistently high for all subject areas.
- Staff do not make enough use of information and communication technology (ICT) to stimulate
and enhance learning in the classroom and beyond.
- Too often, the individual targets agreed with students are not specific or measurable enough.
- Improvement plans and the procedures for improving staff performance are not yet fully effective.

The college staff have probably taken these criticisms into consideration and are currently working on them so that the college can improve. Your college choice will not affect your university application because the university is judging you as an individual not the institution you come from. Just make sure you have good grades, passion and most importantly an interest in your chosen field. I wish you all the best.
Thanks for your help!! I really appreciate it!
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I can't believe that we didn't do the obvious thing and check on their website
http://www.george-monoux.ac.uk/
'Ranked no.2 in London for Sixth Form Colleges... for percentage of students achieving 3+ A levels or equivalent'
So this includes all of the D and E grades, and I'm assuming btecs too? excuse me if I am wrong. Whereas other ranking systems will focus on number of C+ grades or even A+ grades. Also their Ofsted says 'Good', whilst I'm sure there are many more colleges in London given 'Outstanding' status which I think would show overall a good college.
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I can't believe that we didn't do the obvious thing and check on their website
http://www.george-monoux.ac.uk/
'Ranked no.2 in London for Sixth Form Colleges... for percentage of students achieving 3+ A levels or equivalent'
So this includes all of the D and E grades, and I'm assuming btecs too? excuse me if I am wrong. Whereas other ranking systems will focus on number of C+ grades or even A+ grades. Also their Ofsted says 'Good', whilst I'm sure there are many more colleges in London given 'Outstanding' status which I think would show overall a good college.
So the college is basically lying to everyone in the public?
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Technically, not ;P


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Oh yh i forget about latymer being a sixth form! Sir george monoux is really horrible!

But in terms of student satisfaction, which one would be higher?
At latymer, wouldnt the students feel so pressured by teachers? While at woodhouse, theres so much freedom?
There's also the facilities and learning environment.
Wouldn't they make a difference in the student satisfaction??
Sorry for the late reply.

I was satisfied but it really depends on the satisfaction at Woodhouse College.
I wasn't pressured much by the teachers, I was only pressured because I'm not that smart. As long as you do your homework and behaved yourself in class, I'm pretty sure everything will be fine.
We had quite a bit of freedom at Latymer. In year 12, you get 20 free periods of 40 minutes over a two week period in which you can do whatever you want e.g. go to shops. Sometimes you have free mornings and afternoons which is also a benefit.
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Sorry for the late reply.

I was satisfied but it really depends on the satisfaction at Woodhouse College.
I wasn't pressured much by the teachers, I was only pressured because I'm not that smart. As long as you do your homework and behaved yourself in class, I'm pretty sure everything will be fine.
We had quite a bit of freedom at Latymer. In year 12, you get 20 free periods of 40 minutes over a two week period in which you can do whatever you want e.g. go to shops. Sometimes you have free mornings and afternoons which is also a benefit.
You are a latymer sixth form alumni?? Awesome! What subjects did you do?

Latymer has always been far better than my sixth form (obviously).
You get pressured by all the teachers whether you are smart or not.
We are not allowed out of the school when we have free periods, only break and lunch.
And on top of that - the youngers years are often shouting, screaming, pushing, swearing and sent out of their lessons.
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But anyways i've left the school now to go college.
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