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A couple of weeks ago we had a full hysteria in the press about the alleged criminal conduct of Unite in rigging the Falkirk selection process for choosing their Labour candidate. A Tory MP complained to the police and then Ed Milliband supposedly "handed it over to the police" according to Labour Party PR.
This was covered on TSR.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2398297
I said that it would go nowhere, that I doubted the police were even looking at it, that it was attempting to use the police as a political football which was wrong - others accused me of being clueless, that it was a genuine police and criminal matter, etc.
Surprise, surprise, now the dust has died down, the police have said there are insufficient grounds for an investigation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...inquiry-police
I very much doubt the police did any investigating whatever.
It's disgusting how much froth there was in the media about this allegedly criminal matter. It's pathetic that Milliband saw the way forward being to join in with it, instead of defending the right of unions to try to be politically active and to take part in democratic processes inside the party, or, at minimum, not playing the games of right wing Tory MPs, pre-designed to be used by the Daily Mail and orchestrated by Paul Staines.
I hope Ed Milliband has learned something from this, but sadly, we are apparently doomed to have a Labour Party that is every bit as reactionary and interested in PR froth as it has been under Blair and Brown.
This was covered on TSR.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2398297
I said that it would go nowhere, that I doubted the police were even looking at it, that it was attempting to use the police as a political football which was wrong - others accused me of being clueless, that it was a genuine police and criminal matter, etc.
Surprise, surprise, now the dust has died down, the police have said there are insufficient grounds for an investigation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...inquiry-police
I very much doubt the police did any investigating whatever.
It's disgusting how much froth there was in the media about this allegedly criminal matter. It's pathetic that Milliband saw the way forward being to join in with it, instead of defending the right of unions to try to be politically active and to take part in democratic processes inside the party, or, at minimum, not playing the games of right wing Tory MPs, pre-designed to be used by the Daily Mail and orchestrated by Paul Staines.
I hope Ed Milliband has learned something from this, but sadly, we are apparently doomed to have a Labour Party that is every bit as reactionary and interested in PR froth as it has been under Blair and Brown.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
A couple of weeks ago we had a full hysteria in the press about the alleged criminal conduct of Unite in rigging the Falkirk selection process for choosing their Labour candidate. A Tory MP complained to the police and then Ed Milliband supposedly "handed it over to the police" according to Labour Party PR.
This was covered on TSR.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2398297
I said that it would go nowhere, that I doubted the police were even looking at it, that it was attempting to use the police as a political football which was wrong - others accused me of being clueless, that it was a genuine police and criminal matter, etc.
Surprise, surprise, now the dust has died down, the police have said there are insufficient grounds for an investigation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...inquiry-police
I very much doubt the police did any investigating whatever.
It's disgusting how much froth there was in the media about this allegedly criminal matter. It's pathetic that Milliband saw the way forward being to join in with it, instead of defending the right of unions to try to be politically active and to take part in democratic processes inside the party, or, at minimum, not playing the games of right wing Tory MPs, pre-designed to be used by the Daily Mail and orchestrated by Paul Staines.
I hope Ed Milliband has learned something from this, but sadly, we are apparently doomed to have a Labour Party that is every bit as reactionary and interested in PR froth as it has been under Blair and Brown.
A couple of weeks ago we had a full hysteria in the press about the alleged criminal conduct of Unite in rigging the Falkirk selection process for choosing their Labour candidate. A Tory MP complained to the police and then Ed Milliband supposedly "handed it over to the police" according to Labour Party PR.
This was covered on TSR.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2398297
I said that it would go nowhere, that I doubted the police were even looking at it, that it was attempting to use the police as a political football which was wrong - others accused me of being clueless, that it was a genuine police and criminal matter, etc.
Surprise, surprise, now the dust has died down, the police have said there are insufficient grounds for an investigation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...inquiry-police
I very much doubt the police did any investigating whatever.
It's disgusting how much froth there was in the media about this allegedly criminal matter. It's pathetic that Milliband saw the way forward being to join in with it, instead of defending the right of unions to try to be politically active and to take part in democratic processes inside the party, or, at minimum, not playing the games of right wing Tory MPs, pre-designed to be used by the Daily Mail and orchestrated by Paul Staines.
I hope Ed Milliband has learned something from this, but sadly, we are apparently doomed to have a Labour Party that is every bit as reactionary and interested in PR froth as it has been under Blair and Brown.
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Due to Police cuts, the police don't have the resources and man power to investigate as well as they used to.
Due to Police cuts, the police don't have the resources and man power to investigate as well as they used to.
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The only hysteria was at your end my dear.
The police investigated, did their job, found nothing and carried on as normal. On a more important pint, hopefully this will separate the unions from labour and result in us never having labour in power ever again.
The police investigated, did their job, found nothing and carried on as normal. On a more important pint, hopefully this will separate the unions from labour and result in us never having labour in power ever again.
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Nah, it won't be that - a more plausible explanation is that they knew the CPS would never bring a case on it, so why bother investigating? Plus, who knows, maybe they just ever so slightly resented being used for political point scoring?
Nah, it won't be that - a more plausible explanation is that they knew the CPS would never bring a case on it, so why bother investigating? Plus, who knows, maybe they just ever so slightly resented being used for political point scoring?
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Meanwhile, back in the real world....
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Alas - if only that were true. You seem to have (already - admittedly it was two whole weeks ago!) forgotten the full-on media feeding frenzy over this one, the ringing denunciations of the unions involved as criminals, Tories in the media suggesting they were all going to prison, etc, etc.
Meanwhile, back in the real world....
Alas - if only that were true. You seem to have (already - admittedly it was two whole weeks ago!) forgotten the full-on media feeding frenzy over this one, the ringing denunciations of the unions involved as criminals, Tories in the media suggesting they were all going to prison, etc, etc.
Meanwhile, back in the real world....
http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/falkirk-pressure-on-labour-to-reopen-selection-inquiry-1-3160666
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Looks like its back in the media again. It would appear new evidence has been found. Quite a bit if it.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/falkirk-pressure-on-labour-to-reopen-selection-inquiry-1-3160666
Looks like its back in the media again. It would appear new evidence has been found. Quite a bit if it.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/falkirk-pressure-on-labour-to-reopen-selection-inquiry-1-3160666
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We'll see. I seriously doubt that anything much will happen other than some of the usual theatrics from Tories and Labour. This whole thing was a farce, with right wing tabloids and dodgy Tory MPs and bloggers stirring on one side and a laughably submissive and media-obsessed New Labour heirarchy on the other, desperate to be appearing to do the bidding of people like Murdoch and the Mail, without actually doing anything real.
We'll see. I seriously doubt that anything much will happen other than some of the usual theatrics from Tories and Labour. This whole thing was a farce, with right wing tabloids and dodgy Tory MPs and bloggers stirring on one side and a laughably submissive and media-obsessed New Labour heirarchy on the other, desperate to be appearing to do the bidding of people like Murdoch and the Mail, without actually doing anything real.
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Looks like unite are under further scrutiny.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2497291/Now-Unite-union-boss-Len-McCluskey-faces-investigation-claims-election-included-160-000-phantom-members-ballot--including-DIED.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2497291/Now-Unite-union-boss-Len-McCluskey-faces-investigation-claims-election-included-160-000-phantom-members-ballot--including-DIED.html
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Looks like unite are under further scrutiny.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2497291/Now-Unite-union-boss-Len-McCluskey-faces-investigation-claims-election-included-160-000-phantom-members-ballot--including-DIED.html
Looks like unite are under further scrutiny.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2497291/Now-Unite-union-boss-Len-McCluskey-faces-investigation-claims-election-included-160-000-phantom-members-ballot--including-DIED.html
One thing about unions is that despite all the blather about their alleged 'power' in the right-wing press, the reality is that they are often administratively underfunded and shambolic.
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And it's still going on
http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/reopen-probe-into-falkirk-by-election-mcleish-1-3183169
http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/reopen-probe-into-falkirk-by-election-mcleish-1-3183169
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And there's more.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26026023
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And there's more.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26026023
Any comments full of surprises?
Anyway, the original thread that this thread followed was about the supposed criminal police investigation, which I rightly pointed out would go precisely nowhere.
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