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    Hi,
    Even though I am studying for my A-Levels in UK, I will be applying as an International Student and my first choice will be in England but since I will have to pay so much I am also considering studying Abroad in an English Medium Country like Australia or India.
    Can anyone recommend any good places (almost similar quality as UK) where I could get my Medicine degree.
    Thanks

    P.S. I would prefer to go to a developed country although not necassary.
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    Australia has pretty good Med schools. I am also an international student and doing A-levels. It is expensive but I am hopefully going to Cardiff. I also did apply to University of Western Australia just in case my parents decided they can't afford Cardiff or something. You should look at that uni and Uni of Melbourne also has a fantastic reputation Worldwide.
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    Melbourne and Monash are the top 2 medical universities (in fact overall too) in Australia, although if you honestly ask me, they're inferior to the top universities in the UK. Also, Melbourne requires that you do Physics at 'A' level.

    If you can, try to get into NUS (Nat'l Uni of Singapore). It has an excellent and coveted medical school.
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    Do you know of any other Australian University that accept A-Level students directly for Medicine because I looked at certain universities and they only seemed to accept International Graduates.


    (Original post by tazzalc)
    Australia has pretty good Med schools. I am also an international student and doing A-levels. It is expensive but I am hopefully going to Cardiff. I also did apply to University of Western Australia just in case my parents decided they can't afford Cardiff or something. You should look at that uni and Uni of Melbourne also has a fantastic reputation Worldwide.
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    (Original post by bassamband)
    Do you know of any other Australian University that accept A-Level students directly for Medicine because I looked at certain universities and they only seemed to accept International Graduates.
    Most universities accept 'A' level graduates. You're probably not looking at the right place?
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    Most universities in OZ won't consider you unless you have at least 3 A's at A'Levels. They also want maths at A/L.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    Melbourne and Monash are the top 2 medical universities (in fact overall too) in Australia, although if you honestly ask me, they're inferior to the top universities in the UK. Also, Melbourne requires that you do Physics at 'A' level.

    If you can, try to get into NUS (Nat'l Uni of Singapore). It has an excellent and coveted medical school.
    Knogle, on what basis do you form your opinions of unis? You seem to throw quite a lot of opinions around without any backing. Uni Melb has a good medicine course, however there is no interview for ugrad applicants, so you can guess the type of people that make it in. Generally all the unis in Australia are good for medicine. In the end you end up the same. You don't need maths, although generally need AAA+ to get an offer.

    http://uninews.unimelb.edu.au/articleid_2908.html
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    (Original post by bally)
    Knogle, on what basis do you form your opinions of unis? You seem to throw quite a lot of opinions around without any backing. Uni Melb has a good medicine course, however there is no interview for ugrad applicants, so you can guess the type of people that make it in. Generally all the unis in Australia are good for medicine. In the end you end up the same. You don't need maths, although generally need AAA+ to get an offer.

    http://uninews.unimelb.edu.au/articleid_2908.html
    Melbourne university is the top in Australia. Your point about not interviewing is flawed. LSE doesn't interview students. Are you suggesting that their students are crap? :rolleyes: Internationally, both universities I mentioned have top-notch reputations (at least when compared to other Australian universities).
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    I didn't say they are crap. Don't put words into my mouth please. They are often the ones who are not very social people. Head over to some australian forums and you'll find it's true. Generally UNSW is the most competitive (although people debate whether its the best or not), along with melbourne. And again, you fail to acknowledge your sources.
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    (Original post by bally)
    I didn't say they are crap. Don't put words into my mouth please. They are often the ones who are not very social people. Head over to some australian forums and you'll find it's true. Generally UNSW is the most competitive (although people debate whether its the best or not), along with melbourne. And again, you fail to acknowledge your sources.
    What sources do you want me to acknowledge? The article above states that UMelb is #1 as ranked by Times. :rolleyes: You're absolutely ridiculous to generalise universities which don't interview as ones who don't have sociable people. Good on you anyway. I've stated my opinion which I know stands for the majority of people in the south-east asian region.

    Give me numbers too. Application numbers of UNSW, breakdown by domicile, etc. Same for UMelb.
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    I live in Australia, I applied to medicine last year, my sister did medicine at newcastle, my other sister did medicine at UNSW. I have seen people go through the process millions of times. The south east asian does not consititute the world as you quoted 'international reputation' which implies the rest of the world, not just SE Asia. And I probably worded that wrong since I was annoyed that you were not quoting me properly. They aren't 'people' persons.
    http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/medweb.ns...election_local - 3000 applicants

    Here is another source, albeit not very reputable, but i have exams atm, so will look properly later.
    http://www.medstudentsonline.com/for....php?t321.html
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    (Original post by bally)
    I live in Australia, I applied to medicine last year, my sister did medicine at newcastle, my other sister did medicine at UNSW. I have seen people go through the process millions of times. The south east asian does not consititute the world as you quoted 'international reputation' which implies the rest of the world, not just SE Asia. And I probably worded that wrong since I was annoyed that you were not quoting me properly. They aren't 'people' persons.
    http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/medweb.ns...election_local - 3000 applicants

    Here is another source, albeit not very reputable, but i have exams atm, so will look properly later.
    http://www.medstudentsonline.com/for....php?t321.html
    At least it's a better representation of 'the world' then you, and Australian yourself. No?

    Look let me get this clear. I have nothing against UNSW. I'm just saying that as far as south-east asia is concerned, just about everyone regards UMelb as #1, and Monash as #2. I don't know what follows thereafter because many people whom I've talked to don't believe that it's worth the expenses below that.

    You seem to be disparaging UMelb only because they don't interview applicants. Surely you can give me greater reason than that?
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    At least it's a better representation of 'the world' then you, and Australian yourself. No?

    Look let me get this clear. I have nothing against UNSW. I'm just saying that as far as south-east asia is concerned, just about everyone regards UMelb as #1, and Monash as #2. I don't know what follows thereafter because many people whom I've talked to don't believe that it's worth the expenses below that.

    You seem to be disparaging UMelb only because they don't interview applicants. Surely you can give me greater reason than that?
    I'm not, I said the lack of an interview allows certain candidates that had no chance elsewhere, a crack at medicine. However that is the small minority. The majority have 99.7+ UAI. And knogle, I wasn't saying I was a representation of the world. I was saying that the times rankings dont reflect monash' ranking in SE Asia or the 'world' as you call it. (According to you)

    I think the only reason that Monash has a high regard in your area is that it has a school 'Monash Malaysia' which is associated with the one in Aus (however it's easier to get a place there than Monash in melbourne). Having said that, im pretty sure its not recongnised in Singapore.


    I dont see what you mean by saying this :

    At least it's a better representation of 'the world' then you, and Australian yourself. No?
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    I said the lack of an interview allows certain candidates that had no chance elsewhere, a crack at medicine.
    So fine, some candidates who would have otherwise been missed by UMelb, are offered a place by Monash or UNSW. How in the world does that make UMelb any worse than it is? It has a good admissions model which works for itself, primarily because it's the market leader (going by the league tables, which people do look at).

    I was saying that the times rankings dont reflect monash' ranking in SE Asia or the 'world' as you call it.
    Not necessarily. But the times rankings certainly does influence it. And the influence is mighty I tell you.

    I think the only reason that Monash has a high regard in your area is that it has a school 'Monash Malaysia' where you can get a mbbs degree with lower requirements than in Aus.
    I didn't even know about that Monash Malaysia. And we're talking about going to Monash in Australia. Not the local branch.

    Having said that, im pretty sure its not recongnised in Singapore.
    You're flat wrong. I'm born in Singapore and have lived here for the past 20 years of my life. Surely I know better.
    I dont see what you mean by saying this :

    At least it's a better representation of 'the world' then you, and Australian yourself. No?
    I'm saying that however you cut it, I'm an international student. My view of Australian universities is a better indication of the international view, as compared to your (local) view of the university.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    So fine, some candidates who would have otherwise been missed by UMelb, are offered a place by Monash or UNSW. How in the world does that make UMelb any worse than it is? It has a good admissions model which works for itself, primarily because it's the market leader (going by the league tables, which people do look at).

    Not necessarily. But the times rankings certainly does influence it. And the influence is mighty I tell you.

    I didn't even know about that Monash Malaysia. And we're talking about going to Monash in Australia. Not the local branch.

    You're flat wrong. I'm born in Singapore and have lived here for the past 20 years of my life. Surely I know better.
    I'm saying that however you cut it, I'm an international student. My view of Australian universities is a better indication of the international view, as compared to your (local) view of the university.
    Monash Malaysia MBBS isn't recognised in Singapore. Have a quick search. And you said that you hadn't even heard of Monash Malaysia. (did you think i was talking about monash melbourne?) And as you said international rankings do have an effect on the reputation of the uni. So why is Monash not 2nd or 1st in Aus in the biomedicine ranking?

    I never said it was worse, as you are keen to put words in my mouth again. I implied that by not having an interview as part of the selection procedure, there are a minority of students who 'according to the new selection procedures implemented in australia to combat the purely academic with no social skills' gain entry. I merely was saying that the selection process is an indication of what kind of students to expect there.

    I say this mere issue is being grosely blown out of proportion.
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    Monash Malaysia MBBS isn't recognised in Singapore. Have a quick search.
    My bad. Aren't we talking about the 'real' Monash in Australia?

    (did you think i was talking about monash melbourne?)
    Yes - aren't we?

    I never said it was worse, as you are keen to put words in my mouth again. I implied that by not having an interview as part of the selection procedure, there are a minority of students who 'according to the new selection procedures implemented in australia to combat the purely academic with no social skills' gain entry.
    You're not going to find monsters or complete geeks at Melbourne. And it has an admissions system that works for them because of their standing in the league table. Monash or some other university might pick up some students who would not have made it otherwise due to their lacklustre academic performance, but again, this does not make UMelb any worse. Naturally universities would want to pick up the best ones that would have been missed. And that's what helps Monash ranks up there - but your logic is flawed if you say that the interviews make Monash better than UMelb.

    I merely was saying that the selection process is an indication of what kind of students to expect there.
    Okay, so you may find students who are slightly more all-rounded although bear in mind that UMelb's application process take into account all these and more .The only thing missing is an interview. That doesn't mean they're taking in someone who's less all-rounded. With all that said and done, my question is: so what? You criticised me for my supposedly unfounded opinion of ranking UMelb on top, but you have not given any solid reason on why it shouldn't be.

    I say this mere issue is being grosely blown out of proportion.
    Perhaps. I'm just defending my turf, and fending off your accusation of me issuing unfounded statements and opinions - that's something any self-respecting individual should and would do.

    Good luck with your exams mate.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    My bad. Aren't we talking about the 'real' Monash in Australia?

    Yes - aren't we?

    You're not going to find monsters or complete geeks at Melbourne. And it has an admissions system that works for them because of their standing in the league table. Monash or some other university might pick up some students who would not have made it otherwise due to their lacklustre academic performance, but again, this does not make UMelb any worse. Naturally universities would want to pick up the best ones that would have been missed. And that's what helps Monash ranks up there - but your logic is flawed if you say that the interviews make Monash better than UMelb.

    Okay, so you may find students who are slightly more all-rounded although bear in mind that UMelb's application process take into account all these and more .The only thing missing is an interview. That doesn't mean they're taking in someone who's less all-rounded. With all that said and done, my question is: so what? You criticised me for my supposedly unfounded opinion of ranking UMelb on top, but you have not given any solid reason on why it shouldn't be.

    Perhaps. I'm just defending my turf, and fending off your accusation of me issuing unfounded statements and opinions - that's something any self-respecting individual should and would do.

    Good luck with your exams mate.
    Thanks Knogle.

    Umelb only care about your UMAT score and your UAI. THey dont have a PS or anything. So unfortunately they dont take those things into account. The thing is, that league tables aren't really based on which unis make the best doctors, its about research/science. That is something has come under fire in australia. Most courses were hard core science before the introduction of the umat. Now more are PBL and communications based, hence the introduction of the umat. Melb has an old school approach, with the BMedsci/mbbs program, hence more research and more papers produced, and probably ranked higher in the rankings because of this.

    And sorry I should have distinguised more between Monash Melb, and Monash Malaysia.
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    (Original post by Knogle)
    Melbourne university is the top in Australia. Your point about not interviewing is flawed. LSE doesn't interview students. Are you suggesting that their students are crap? :rolleyes: Internationally, both universities I mentioned have top-notch reputations (at least when compared to other Australian universities).
    There is considerable debate over the value of interviews with regard to applications to medicine. Southampton and St. Andrews don't interview (neither do LSE, but then I can't see why they'd be interested in medical applicants) and people speculate over the quality of the candidates given that they're being assessed for a job as a doctor based on them expressing their personality in half a page of writing.


    I dunno how it is out in Australia, but league tables here are essentially irrelevant when it comes to medicine, especially in terms of applications, I can't see any reason it would be different out there - are some unis teaching a non-recognised medicine course?
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    (Original post by Renal)
    There is considerable debate over the value of interviews with regard to applications to medicine. Southampton and St. Andrews don't interview (neither do LSE, but then I can't see why they'd be interested in medical applicants) and people speculate over the quality of the candidates given that they're being assessed for a job as a doctor based on them expressing their personality in half a page of writing.


    I dunno how it is out in Australia, but league tables here are essentially irrelevant when it comes to medicine, especially in terms of applications, I can't see any reason it would be different out there - are some unis teaching a non-recognised medicine course?
    Nope, all of them are recognised. So in the end it makes no difference, since you all end up with a job.
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    are some unis teaching a non-recognised medicine course?
    Put it this way. All MBBS degrees are recognised, but some are recognised more so than others. You simple can't completely disregard the university.
 
 
 
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