Body language

A lot of people may tell you that submissive body language matters. It doesn't. Body language is a form of French and is therefore much weaker then normal speaking. If you shout a lot and punch things, you can really increase your confidence, despite your body language.

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Profesh

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Big Fat Mel

A lot of people may tell you that submissive body language matters. It doesn't. Body language is a form of French and is therefore much weaker then normal speaking. If you shout a lot and punch things, you can really increase your confidence, despite your body language.

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Strictly Business

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Profesh

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Big Fat Mel

A lot of people may tell you that submissive body language matters. It doesn't. Body language is a form of French and is therefore much weaker then normal speaking. If you shout a lot and punch things, you can really increase your confidence, despite your body language.

no body language is not weaker than speaking. only 10% of communication is verbal. body language speaks tonnes and matters so much i would call it essential.

if you were a submissive person and you shouted and punched, people would still be able to pick up that you were submissive on some level.

maybe your definition of body language is different from mine.

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zain88

no body language is not weaker than speaking. only 10% of communication is verbal. body language speaks tonnes and matters so much i would call it essential.

if you were a submissive person and you shouted and punched, people would still be able to pick up that you were submissive on some level.

maybe your definition of body language is different from mine.

You are incorrect only 0.6 % of interactions in Sweden are based on body language. In the "Romantic" countries, France especially, where body language was invented by the troubadours, it still accounts for less than half of any conversation. moreover it is seen as being weaker than the spoken word - hence the reason we are taught the French language in schools, as opposed to French gestures.

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Big Fat Mel

You are incorrect only 0.6 % of interactions in Sweden are based on body language. In the "Romantic" countries, France especially, where body language was invented by the troubadours, it still accounts for less than half of any conversation. moreover it is seen as being weaker than the spoken word - hence the reason we are taught the French language in schools, as opposed to French gestures.

where do you get your first fact from?

body language is not "invented"

why would anyone be taught gestures? everyone is taught languages, but no one in any country is taught body language. body language is a natural form of communication and everyone is using it constantly. it isn't a conscious effort. it is the ability to infer information by observing someone's eye path, position of hands, facial expression etc.

i disagree, it is not weaker than the spoken word. have you never known how someone is feeling without them telling you "i am sad" ?????

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Telling you "I am sad" is so much more revealing than a glum look. And, for your information, body language was invented. I could accept your argument about its strength if it came from Germany, Russia or even the Philipines but it is a Francocentric phenomenon and, thus, will be terminally associated with poofiness and effeminism. Making it weaker than proper speaking.

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Big Fat Mel

Telling you "I am sad" is so much more revealing than a glum look. And, for your information, body language was invented. I could accept your argument about its strength if it came from Germany, Russia or even the Philipines but it is a Francocentric phenomenon and, thus, will be terminally associated with poofiness and effeminism. Making it weaker than proper speaking.

telling someone "i am sad" with a happy face and open/friendly body language reveals what? nothing. words cannot be effective without body language when talking to someone. someone could be telling you about a trip they took to the zoo and saying it with no facial expression and in a neutral tone, or they could be saying it in a very fast excited voice with lots of hand gestures and wide open eyes and a smile. which tells you more?

ok another comparison: someone tells you about their trip to the zoo with no body language and then says it was very good fun and they enjoyed it. or they tell you about it in an excited voice and with a smile. which are you more likely to believe?

body language alone could tell you that someone was not only sad but other stuff like whether they wanted to be talked to, or whether they wanted to be left alone, whether they were mournful sad or angry sad and lots of other things. the volume of communication body language can get across is lots more than words will.

body language was invented? so when a baby smiles, it was taught to do that when it was happy? it was invented that a shy person has to avoid eye contact? that's nonsense. gestures may have been invented like the thumbs up sign and that kind of thing but body language definitely was not. like i said earlier our definitions of body language appear to be different.

body language is associated with poofiness? i didnt know that. anyone else think so?

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pbrown

zain88

ok another comparison: someone tells you about their trip to the zoo with no body language and then says it was very good fun and they enjoyed it. or they tell you about it in an excited voice and with a smile. which are you more likely to believe?

So does body language include one's tone of voice as well?

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halfoflessthan50p

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Zain hes just winding you up. just do a 'big grin' smiley and ignore him. Body language was not 'invented' by anyone and he knows that.

To the OP: Submissive body language is just a symptom of the problem not the problem itself. As soon as you feel more confident about yourself you'll stop doing it. As TomX says you should work out and stop giving a damn about what other people think. Its possible to overcome shyness/low self-esteem if you try hard.

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rhythm_bandit

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its funny watching him wind u up :tongue:

oh u got there first :tongue:

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oh maaaannnn im so slow!!

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Galipote

Just a bit of advice from someone else who tends to have "submissive body language" too (deary me, what a long pedantic sounding group of words). Anyway, like other people said before me, the best way to get rid of it all is to gain self confidence. If you try and look self confident without actually being it, you'll feel very uncomfortable, because the attitude you'll be trying to adopt isn't one that would come naturally to you. You'd just be thinking about the way you act all the time, which would make you even more twitchy and nervous than you would be otherwise.

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