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Original post by SherlockHolmes
What's the lowest score achieved by applicants that have managed to receive offers?

On the oxford website, there are average score of successful applicants for every year.
Anyone knows that if I can get extra time in MAT? I am an international student.
Thanx:smile:
Original post by bird in water
On the oxford website, there are average score of successful applicants for every year.


Yes I know that. I asking if anyone has any idea for the lowest score achieved by those that receive offers, not the average.
Original post by SherlockHolmes
Yes I know that. I asking if anyone has any idea for the lowest score achieved by those that receive offers, not the average.

Nobody has a definitive answer to your question because the statistics they release about the scores just aren't that detailed. Here's what I've been able to gather about how Oxford does maths admissions from stalking this forum and tons of other websites:
1. To determine who they interview, they set a cut-off MAT score. This isn't a hard line, so some people with an excellent application (PS/Ref/Grades) who fall slightly below the cut-off may still be invited, and people with a sloppy application who fall slightly above the cut-off might not be, but the MAT score is definitely the thing they look at most when deciding who to interview. How high this cut-off score is is obviously not published, but assuming that the average MAT score is approximately equal to the median MAT score (this is possibly not true because the amount of people that absolutely blows the test might be bringing the average down), it's probably around 50-55.
2. They give you a 'grade' on a scale of 1 to 9 for your interview, and consider the interview together with the MAT score when deciding who to offer a place in the end. I'm not sure whether there's an exact formula , but I remember reading somewhere that those two scores are put together to sort all candidates by overall application strength. Again, this is probably not a hard cut-off, but a guideline for admissions officers. Since 2011 they've been releasing average scores for shortlisted applicants as well; The average MAT grade for successful applicants is significantly higher (5-8 points) than that for shortlisted applicants, which suggests that they take both interview grades and MAT score into account when deciding who to offer a place.

Beware that this is just my educated guess.
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Original post by dutchmaths
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Thanks for the detailed response.

I think as long as you score higher than the average then you will be shortlisted. To be on the safe side, scoring 60 should almost guarantee an interview. However, to be within a chance of an offer, I think a score of >65 is needed.
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Got 71 in the 2012 mock I did today, pretty impressed with that :smile: 2009/10/11 to go...
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Do I need to have a look about FP2 and FP3 before the test?
It's purely c1 c2 but that doesn't mean looking over have or going forward towards other modules won't benefit you. Just all the questions can be done with just c1 c2 knowledge.
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Original post by SherlockHolmes
What's the lowest score achieved by applicants that have managed to receive offers?


Let's clear this up. People have scored between 55-60 and got an offer, but they tend to be the ones who have a very strong academic record and good interviews to make up for it. Stating the obvious, just aim as high as you can and stop worrying what score you're gonna get. Best of luck :smile:
Original post by gavinlowe
You would have to take the qualifications by early August (when the A Level results come out) -- so plenty of time yet. However, you should be indicating your intention to take them soon, by about 15th November when we start short-listing. I suggest you email your college (admissions@college-name.ox.ac.uk) to tell them what you intend to take; or if you made an open application, mail us at [email protected], and we'll pass it on to the college considering your application.

The page at http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/ugadmissions/why_oxford/standard_conditional_offers.htm lists the subjects we'd like to see in SAT subject tests.


You spoke about the shortlisting beginning on 15th November. Does this process take into account MAT scores?

And, the SAT Subject Test results are releasing today. My referee predicted certain scores, but can I update Oxford with the scores I've attained? If so, how? Via UCAS?

Thank you.

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Original post by dutchmaths
Nobody has a definitive answer to your question because the statistics they release about the scores just aren't that detailed. Here's what I've been able to gather about how Oxford does maths admissions from stalking this forum and tons of other websites:
1. To determine who they interview, they set a cut-off MAT score. This isn't a hard line, so some people with an excellent application (PS/Ref/Grades) who fall slightly below the cut-off may still be invited, and people with a sloppy application who fall slightly above the cut-off might not be, but the MAT score is definitely the thing they look at most when deciding who to interview. How high this cut-off score is is obviously not published, but assuming that the average MAT score is approximately equal to the median MAT score (this is possibly not true because the amount of people that absolutely blows the test might be bringing the average down), it's probably around 50-55.
2. They give you a 'grade' on a scale of 1 to 9 for your interview, and consider the interview together with the MAT score when deciding who to offer a place in the end. I'm not sure whether there's an exact formula , but I remember reading somewhere that those two scores are put together to sort all candidates by overall application strength. Again, this is probably not a hard cut-off, but a guideline for admissions officers. Since 2011 they've been releasing average scores for shortlisted applicants as well; The average MAT grade for successful applicants is significantly higher (5-8 points) than that for shortlisted applicants, which suggests that they take both interview grades and MAT score into account when deciding who to offer a place.

Beware that this is just my educated guess.


I can add some more information.

We use a measure called the Provisional Short-listing Indicator (PSI), which is a linear combination of MAT score and the number of A*s at GCSE (or equivalent qualifications); the MAT score has most weight. One of our colleagues in Statistics validated this measure a few years back. Based on this, the Admissions Coordinators suggest a default threshold on PSI to be used for short-listing, with the aim of short-listing about three candidates per place. In recent years, this threshold has corresponded to a MAT score of about 50, but it varies from year to year based on the difficulty of the test and the number of good candidates.

College tutors then decide which candidates to short-list, looking particularly closely at candidates near the default threshold. One major criterion in decisions not to follow the default is contextual information: for example, if a candidate has come from a school with a less strong academic background, then he/she might have more potential that the raw scores suggest; alternatively, if a candidate had a particularly privileged education, then that might make his/her scores look more modest.

Interviews used to be scored on a scale from 1 to 9, but we recently added some grades like 7- and 7+ to allow for finer distinctions near the accept/reject borderline. Colleges then decide which candidates to accept. We have a big final meeting to try to make sure that we've been as fair as possible, and to try to identify any worthy candidates that might have been missed; we also decide on open offers at this meeting.

We don't use a formula for making final decisions. I believe one should never make such decisions formulaically unless one has validated the formula; and I don't believe it's possible to validate a formula in this case, because there are too many factors to consider, and too much noise in the data.

To partially answer Sherlock's question, there are sometimes candidates that score a bit below the default short-listing threshold on PSI, but who are short-listed and end up with a place. But these are rare. And Blazy's advice to just aim as high as you can is good advice.
Original post by journeyinwards
You spoke about the shortlisting beginning on 15th November. Does this process take into account MAT scores?


Yes. See my most recent post in this thread for more details.


And, the SAT Subject Test results are releasing today. My referee predicted certain scores, but can I update Oxford with the scores I've attained? If so, how? Via UCAS?

Thank you.

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Mail your college, as in my earlier reply to you. Or better, get your referee to mail the college.
Original post by Blazy
Let's clear this up. People have scored between 55-60 and got an offer, but they tend to be the ones who have a very strong academic record and good interviews to make up for it. Stating the obvious, just aim as high as you can and stop worrying what score you're gonna get. Best of luck :smile:


I don't think I have a very high chance of receiving an offer to be honest. I will be happy to receive an interview. Nonetheless, I will try my best to score highly in the MAT.
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Original post by SherlockHolmes
I don't think I have a very high chance of receiving an offer to be honest.


Me neither :frown:

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Original post by gavinlowe
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May you please answer this question which is puzzling me: How would shortlisting be done if some candidates haven't yet achieved the required educational qualifications(for example, A* A* A in GCSE)? If an applicant's academic results will be released by July 2014, how would you calculate the relevant PSI for them? As far as I can understand, there are 'conditional offers' which are awarded to applicants on the condition of getting those qualifications by August, but how would those applicants be invited to interviews in the first place?
Original post by seohyun
Me neither :frown:

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I did the MAT 2012 as a mock yesterday and got 55. I thought I was going to struggle so my aim before the test was to get 50. Surprisingly, I got more than I expected and found that I made some simple errors which cost me quite a few marks.

Don't give up and keep practising. My mathematical ability has improved slightly from doing these MAT papers so I have taken something away from this even if I don't get an interview.
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Original post by Doratch
May you please answer this question which is puzzling me: How would shortlisting be done if some candidates haven't yet achieved the required educational qualifications(for example, A* A* A in GCSE)? If an applicant's academic results will be released by July 2014, how would you calculate the relevant PSI for them? As far as I can understand, there are 'conditional offers' which are awarded to applicants on the condition of getting those qualifications by August, but how would those applicants be invited to interviews in the first place?


I think you're confusing the UK exam systems - GCSEs are exams taken at the age of 16; A*A*A is a typical conditional offer for A levels taken at the age of 18 :smile:
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Original post by gavinlowe
I can add some more information.

We use a measure called the Provisional Short-listing Indicator (PSI), which is a linear combination of MAT score and the number of A*s at GCSE (or equivalent qualifications); the MAT score has most weight. One of our colleagues in Statistics validated this measure a few years back. Based on this, the Admissions Coordinators suggest a default threshold on PSI to be used for short-listing, with the aim of short-listing about three candidates per place. In recent years, this threshold has corresponded to a MAT score of about 50, but it varies from year to year based on the difficulty of the test and the number of good candidates.

College tutors then decide which candidates to short-list, looking particularly closely at candidates near the default threshold. One major criterion in decisions not to follow the default is contextual information: for example, if a candidate has come from a school with a less strong academic background, then he/she might have more potential that the raw scores suggest; alternatively, if a candidate had a particularly privileged education, then that might make his/her scores look more modest.

Interviews used to be scored on a scale from 1 to 9, but we recently added some grades like 7- and 7+ to allow for finer distinctions near the accept/reject borderline. Colleges then decide which candidates to accept. We have a big final meeting to try to make sure that we've been as fair as possible, and to try to identify any worthy candidates that might have been missed; we also decide on open offers at this meeting.

We don't use a formula for making final decisions. I believe one should never make such decisions formulaically unless one has validated the formula; and I don't believe it's possible to validate a formula in this case, because there are too many factors to consider, and too much noise in the data.

To partially answer Sherlock's question, there are sometimes candidates that score a bit below the default short-listing threshold on PSI, but who are short-listed and end up with a place. But these are rare. And Blazy's advice to just aim as high as you can is good advice.



Is this MAT score of 50 for the interview cut off typical for computing and maths or just computing?
Original post by gavinlowe
Yes. See my most recent post in this thread for more details.



Mail your college, as in my earlier reply to you. Or better, get your referee to mail the college.


Oh, thank you. I'm sorry for repeating the question, I didn't even realise :tongue:

So, the shortlisting or PSI does NOT take into consideration predicted grades for Grade XII/Senior year/A levels/ equivalent?

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Original post by davros
I think you're confusing the UK exam systems - GCSEs are exams taken at the age of 16; A*A*A is a typical conditional offer for A levels taken at the age of 18 :smile:


Oh, thanks for pointing that out! So my new question is: What if an applicant is going to take something equivalent to A-level, but has never taken any qualifications equivalent to GCSE? This is my case right now and I want to know if there is any hope left :confused:

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