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Original post by bottled
being told that one sort of rape is rape, and the other sort of rape is sexual assault because you're raped by a woman, is sexist
It's not sexist, it's simply a difference in terminology. It is perfectly possible for a male assailant to commit a sexual assault rather than a rape - if there is no penetration involved. Rape is defined by penetration. Therefore only men can do it.
Now, you could argue that such a difference in terminology is not particularly helpful and should be abolished, but there's a difference between that and sexism.
Original post by anarchism101
It's not sexist, it's simply a difference in terminology. It is perfectly possible for a male assailant to commit a sexual assault rather than a rape - if there is no penetration involved. Rape is defined by penetration. Therefore only men can do it.
Now, you could argue that such a difference in terminology is not particularly helpful and should be abolished, but there's a difference between that and sexism.
Now, you could argue that such a difference in terminology is not particularly helpful and should be abolished, but there's a difference between that and sexism.
I agree. The difference in terminology is not in and of itself sexist. And to be honest I don't think that's where the problem lies. We DON'T think that sexual assault against men is a big deal. The suggestion is that men don't mind it because we're all sex crazed morons. And that is the sexist thing, and the problem.
But there is an even bigger problem in that women do often get less harsh sentences than men, in fact there was a judge who explicitly said she thought women should get more lenient sentences than men for the same crime. This is a massive perversion of justice.
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I find this comment extremely uncomfortable in many ways as, despite the stimulation, someone still was forced upon someone else, despite gender that is disgustingly appalling that a male can get more years in prison than a female for the exact same crime. That's like if we based murder sentences on how many times the victim was stabbed.
Some countries have recently started changing their definition of rape in response to men's rights activism to include women in the definition to much protest of feminist organisations. In Israel recently, feminist groups managed to cancel a change in rape laws that would see women charged with rape after a spate of mass rapes of underage boys by Israeli women.
Nobody knew about this topic a few years ago. I'm glad that people are starting to discuss it. This is the only way we can bring an end to sexist, misandric rape laws.
The low conviction rates, lenient sentences and lack of accountability for female sex offenders is all the result of a rape culture promoted by feminism. A culture that trivialises and justifies sexual abuse by women particularly that perpetrated against men. A good example of this in this thread is classical liberal's first comment on page 1. Feminists go out of their way to protect female paedophiles and rapists from criticism and justice. This sexist culture partly explains why women appear to commit less sexual assaults in stats. Its not because they do not commit sexual crimes but because society protects them and does not hold them to account when they do.
Nobody knew about this topic a few years ago. I'm glad that people are starting to discuss it. This is the only way we can bring an end to sexist, misandric rape laws.
The low conviction rates, lenient sentences and lack of accountability for female sex offenders is all the result of a rape culture promoted by feminism. A culture that trivialises and justifies sexual abuse by women particularly that perpetrated against men. A good example of this in this thread is classical liberal's first comment on page 1. Feminists go out of their way to protect female paedophiles and rapists from criticism and justice. This sexist culture partly explains why women appear to commit less sexual assaults in stats. Its not because they do not commit sexual crimes but because society protects them and does not hold them to account when they do.
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Original post by Classical Liberal
You can't account for all individual cases.
And yes, I am basing my comparison on a scientific paper about rape. That is a more than reasonable source.
And yes, I am basing my comparison on a scientific paper about rape. That is a more than reasonable source.
You're basing such a strong cemented position from reading one scientific paper? Common man...
Original post by Classical Liberal
Read a paper about rape and female defense mechanisms against it. It said that women experience a great deal of psychological trauma after being raped to keep them from being raped again. They experience a great deal of psychological pain when presented with things that they associate with being raped, such as places, events and people. This is the minds defense mechanism to prevent being raped again. This is why you hear women saying things are "triggering".
Men on the other hand do not have the same psychological adaptations to rape. Men cannot be impregnated so in terms of genetics there is no adverse consequence of being raped. Whilst women are at risk of carrying a rape baby.
That is not to say men do not experience horrific trauma after rape, however it is different and less severe than what women experience. Men and women have different mindsets when it comes to sex and rape is no different.
Men on the other hand do not have the same psychological adaptations to rape. Men cannot be impregnated so in terms of genetics there is no adverse consequence of being raped. Whilst women are at risk of carrying a rape baby.
That is not to say men do not experience horrific trauma after rape, however it is different and less severe than what women experience. Men and women have different mindsets when it comes to sex and rape is no different.
So surely you support black out drunk sex not being classified as rape then? If you’re drunk and don’t remember something you can’t be traumatised by it.
Original post by Snagprophet
Actually rape is about penetration, which doesn't have to be done with a penis. It's just people tend to abuse people with the sex organ they get the stimulation from, so rape statistics gets slanted against men because of the penetration definition.
I think you need to read section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
Original post by nic-nac
Even if there were stats nic-nac you could not rely on them. Women who commit rapes and sexual assaults are often not held to account for their crimes. The sexism that you mention in your comment it isn't just in our laws. Its in culture. Its in the police force. Its in schools...its everywhere. Women who rape, often rape with impunity. No, its worse than this. The judicial system in this country is so broken and so sexist that it treats women who commit sexual assaults as VICTIMS!!!! Don't believe me? Have a read through this statement by the Crown Prosecution Service. This statement is in regards to the VAWG (Violence Against Women and Girls) Strategy. This is the strategy on which all laws pertaining to not only domestic violence but rape, prostitution, child abuse, pornography, crimes against the elderly, sexual harassment etc. are based in the UK. It reads as follows:
"We have assessed this strategy as having a disproportionate impact on men as suspects and defendants. However, the evidence from the data reveals that the majority of violence is perpetrated by men on women. On that basis, the strategy is a proportionate way of meeting a legitimate aim."
The CPS openly admits that our laws are sexist in favour of women both victims and perps against men both victims and perps and it justifies this fact. Now you might say well men commit more crimes so it kind of makes sense that the system is harsher towards them than towards women. My answer to you would be black people commit crimes at a higher rate than white people would it be ok if we changed our laws to be harsher to blacks than whites? Of course you would say no because that would be racist. The justice system is supposed to be impartial and blind. It is supposed to treat everyone with equity and not discriminate against people based on gender or race...etc.
The CPS statement goes on to trivialise sexual and violent crimes committed by women as follows:
"women with histories of violence and abuse are over-represented in the criminal justice system and can be described as victims as well as offenders. The report also indicates that relationship problems feature strongly in women's pathways to crime and many women in prison had been sexually, emotionally and physically abused."
In this paragraph the CPS is telling you that we treat violent women and female rapists as victims. In most feminised countries around the world, a woman who commits a violent crime or a sexual assault is treated as a mental case as apposed to a rapist/murderer/abuser. They are not included in stats.
There are worse examples of judicial systems treating female rapists as victims. Take the judiciary in the Republic of Ireland. In Ireland if a girl rapes an underage boy the boy is charged with rape not the girl. If anyone is interested in this I can go into greater detail. This flagrantly sexist law is maintained by feminists in Ireland.
Additionally, in many feminised countries women are excluded from sexual assault statistics even when they are included in rape laws. Take the US as an example. The FBI and the CDC two bodies that collect and publish stats on rape and sexual assault do not include women in their stats.
“Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.” Wrote Mary P Koss. Mary is a feminist/rape apologist who worked for the CDC where she helped formulate definitions for sexual assault and rape that would be used to collect data in the US.
"Instead of prison sentences, that male offenders routinely receive, female sex offenders often receive treatment, and government support, instead of appearing in statistics as convicted female sex offenders."John Davis - Female Sex Predators: A Crime Epidemic.
In this sexist, gyrocentric world of ours, you cannot rely on sexual assault stats in any way shape or form my friend.
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Original post by CookieButter
Some countries have recently started changing their definition of rape in response to men's rights activism to include women in the definition to much protest of feminist organisations. In Israel recently, feminist groups managed to cancel a change in rape laws that would see women charged with rape after a spate of mass rapes of underage boys by Israeli women.
Nobody knew about this topic a few years ago. I'm glad that people are starting to discuss it. This is the only way we can bring an end to sexist, misandric rape laws.
The low conviction rates, lenient sentences and lack of accountability for female sex offenders is all the result of a rape culture promoted by feminism. A culture that trivialises and justifies sexual abuse by women particularly that perpetrated against men. A good example of this in this thread is classical liberal's first comment on page 1. Feminists go out of their way to protect female paedophiles and rapists from criticism and justice. This sexist culture partly explains why women appear to commit less sexual assaults in stats. Its not because they do not commit sexual crimes but because society protects them and does not hold the to account when they do.
Nobody knew about this topic a few years ago. I'm glad that people are starting to discuss it. This is the only way we can bring an end to sexist, misandric rape laws.
The low conviction rates, lenient sentences and lack of accountability for female sex offenders is all the result of a rape culture promoted by feminism. A culture that trivialises and justifies sexual abuse by women particularly that perpetrated against men. A good example of this in this thread is classical liberal's first comment on page 1. Feminists go out of their way to protect female paedophiles and rapists from criticism and justice. This sexist culture partly explains why women appear to commit less sexual assaults in stats. Its not because they do not commit sexual crimes but because society protects them and does not hold the to account when they do.
I couldn't agree more.
Male rape is 10 times more harmful than female sexual assault... Its much much harder for a woman to defend herself against a man than the other way around.
Original post by nic-nac
...I think there will be hardly any cases for women 'raping' men, and a lot probably never get reported, but there must be some...
Do you here mean 'a lot' of the 'hardly any'?
Original post by Snagprophet
Actually rape is about penetration, which doesn't have to be done with a penis. It's just people tend to abuse people with the sex organ they get the stimulation from, so rape statistics gets slanted against men because of the penetration definition.
No offence Snagprophet but one thing that these forums have taught me is that it is amazing how totally wrong somebody can be and yet still talk as though they are an expert in the subject.
In the UK to commit rape you have to use a penis. This is why women are never charged with rape apart from very occasionally by association when they help hold a victim down.
Of course Snagprophet, if you aren't in the UK I apologise as in that case you may be correct as other countries don't always write their laws with as much ingrained sexism as we do here.😊
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Original post by limetang
I agree. The difference in terminology is not in and of itself sexist.
Limetang, the law is entirely sexist. I would ignore the person that you are replying to and their desperate argument that is based on a false understanding of the law. This person by the way is a feminist and they pretty much go out of their way to justify sexism in favour of women in many threads no matter how blatant the sexism.
Now, the person that you are replying to does not understand that rape by penetration can be committed by both men and women. A women can rape a person by forcefully penetrating herself with their organ. In some states in the US women who penetrate themselves without consent are charged with rape. So penetration is not the problem with the sexist rape laws in this country, the UK. No, the problem is with the "penis" clause. In this country for rape to occur penetration must occur using a penis. As in the definition has been purposely written in such a way as to exclude women from prosecution for rape. If this isn't sexism I don't know what is. Don't empower sexism by agreeing with these disparate, ignorant rape apologist.
Original post by limetang
We DON'T think that sexual assault against men is a big deal. The suggestion is that men don't mind it because we're all sex crazed morons. And that is the sexist thing, and the problem.
Believe it or not limetang one of the many motivators behind our sexist, misandric rape laws is the idea that sexual assault against men isn't a big deal. Its one of the main arguments used by feminism to protect women from prosecution for this crime. Feminists argue that rape against men is not a big deal. Have a read through this following article by feminist journalist Barbara Ellen. She implies, in her article, that grooming and rape (by women) of boys isn't a big deal and that its an enjoyable experience one that should leave male friends of the victims jealous.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/29/barbara-ellen-madeleine-martin-comment
Sexual assault against men and boys by woman is not treated as a big deal. This is part of our culture in this part of the world. Boys are not socialised in our part of the world to report their sexual assaults at the hands of women partly because of this sexist culture. Boys are raised to take pride in being raped by an older women. Boys get a pat on the back for being groomed and raped by their female teachers. If this isn't evidence of a rape culture that trivialises rape against men I don't know what is.
You also mention that women receive lighter sentences. Part of the reason behind these lighter sentences is that rape by women against boys is not viewed as a big deal. You see this culture in the media as well that mocks, trivialises and makes a joke of rape against men and boys by women.
"Women who sexually assault men and boys are often, under legal and judicial systems, extended a form of cultural immunity. This cultural immunity derives from the constant inundation of the public by media stereotypes that demonize men’s sexuality, and, extend an illusion of harmlessness to women’s sexuality. This, in turn, results in women having a sense of entitlement to rape and molest men, and boys, whenever they please. (This sense of entitlement is reflected in the “creepy” justifications that both men and women use to justify female sex criminals who rape and molest men and boys. These justifications are summarized in the often heard comments: “He probably enjoyed it." Female Sex Predators: A Crime Epidemic By John Davis
The idea that rape by women against men is not a big deal is a huge part of the sexism in rape in this country.
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Original post by Just my opinion
No offence Snagprophet but one thing that these forums have taught me is that it is amazing how totally wrong somebody can be and yet still talk as though they are an expert in the subject.
In the UK to commit rape you have to use a penis. This is why women are never charged with rape apart from very occasionally by association when they help hold a victim down.
Of course Snagprophet, if you aren't in the UK I apologise as in that case you may be correct as other countries don't always write their laws with as much ingrained sexism as we do here.😊
In the UK to commit rape you have to use a penis. This is why women are never charged with rape apart from very occasionally by association when they help hold a victim down.
Of course Snagprophet, if you aren't in the UK I apologise as in that case you may be correct as other countries don't always write their laws with as much ingrained sexism as we do here.😊
You can legally rape people with inanimate objects as long as it penetrates something.
Edit: To anyone else reading this I am sorry to contribute to the necromancy of this thread.
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Original post by Snagprophet
You can legally rape people with inanimate objects as long as it penetrates something.
Edit: To anyone else reading this I am sorry to contribute to the necromancy of this thread.
Edit: To anyone else reading this I am sorry to contribute to the necromancy of this thread.
Sorry Snappy, you are wrong. It is a common misunderstanding.
https://www.blmsolicitors.co.uk/2014/03/is-the-law-on-rape-sexist/
"Physically, a woman cannot rape a man because of the how the offence is defined in law. Rape, in English law, requires a penis to be inserted into a woman’s vagina, anus or mouth without her consent and knowing that she does not so consent. This requirement has caused some criminologists to describe the law as being ‘phallo-centric’ or ‘phallo-genic’. Whilst inserting an object or another part of the body into one of the afore-mentioned orifices is a serious sexual assault, it is not classified as rape. Only men can commit the offence of rape as a principal. Interestingly, pre -operative male transgenders can commit the offence because they are still legally male, whereas post-operative female transgenders cannot commit the offence because they are still legally female."
Hope this helps.🙂
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Original post by Drxyy
How about we get permission to hit them back when they deserve it considering all women think it’s perfectly okay to hit us and punch us because they know the world we live in is sexist and if they want to be treated equally, that’s fine by me.
What nonsense are you posting on a thread from a year ago?
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