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    I know this is a university student forum but i hope that u are concerned about the education of students who have not got to university yet.

    If you are then look at http://www.ihateict.tk it is a website about the problems with the applied ict gcse (putting the site together took more ict than i have ever used in school) the website suggests an alternative to the GCSE which would be more interesting for students taking the course.

    I hope that some of u are prepared to support this cause and I look forward to hearing from you.
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    (Original post by dumkid)
    I know this is a university student forum but i hope that u are concerned about the education of students who have not got to university yet.

    If you are then look at http://www.ihateict.tk it is a website about the problems with the applied ict gcse (putting the site together took more ict than i have ever used in school) the website suggests an alternative to the GCSE which would be more interesting for students taking the course.

    I hope that some of u are prepared to support this cause and I look forward to hearing from you.
    Nice idea, but obviously you are wanting to head into the computer industry.

    The course should really teach the students how to use Word, Excel, Access, Powerpoint, The Internet, Systems Tools such as Defrag and Scan Disk, and how to do a virus scan. Not everyone needs to know how to setup a network, build a computer etc. This is something which is taught in college for people who wish to specialise. Alot of people find networking confusing.

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    (Original post by ToshTrent)
    Nice idea, but obviously you are wanting to head into the computer industry.

    The course should really teach the students how to use Word, Excel, Access, Powerpoint, The Internet, Systems Tools such as Defrag and Scan Disk, and how to do a virus scan. Not everyone needs to know how to setup a network, build a computer etc. This is something which is taught in college for people who wish to specialise. Alot of people find networking confusing.

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    Surely you could use the same argument to say that we shouldn't be teaching hard chemistry in schools, or quadratic factorisation.
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    i would love to do more "hands on" ict i am in yr 10 doin what is supposed to be applied ict (the varndean thing) i have no teacher and the course is crap and i cant even get into the varndean thing
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    Surely you could use the same argument to say that we shouldn't be teaching hard chemistry in schools, or quadratic factorisation.
    Never came across any hard chemistry taught in school. Just boring stuff about Atoms etc.

    All school is designed to do is give a grounding for moving onto further education, doesn't help specialise in any subject. Just gives the overview and outlining of a wide range of things. Surely students need to be taught how to use applications more than configuring the hardware? I've come across a lot of people younger than myself who are absolutely pants as far as computers are concerned. I’d prefer people at least understand the basic stuff so instead of helping them with simple things I can concentrate on the true technical support.
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    Well I know this isn't directly linked to what you said but more the idea of such an approach - esp @ GCSE level. I feel that GCSE's ought to be far more hands on; too many ppl are leaving school/ University knowing astrophysics but not how to care for a child, do gardening, run a household... I think we can't rely on parental education to do this alone & those 2 years are vitally important for a person's education both socially & emotionally; its the last 2 years of schooling for many & when teenagers go through great pains and puberty. I think we should learn Maths to do our accounting, Science to look after ourselves & families, English to write letters & read newspapers, History to know which way to vote, Foreign languages so we can speak them... and so on and so forth; we should be taught morals & ethics, how to care for people & build relationships, how to do DIY & gardening & plumbing, how to cook - all these things we may say come from 'experience' but for many they don't
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    (Original post by Black_Magic)
    Well I know this isn't directly linked to what you said but more the idea of such an approach - esp @ GCSE level. I feel that GCSE's ought to be far more hands on; too many ppl are leaving school/ University knowing astrophysics but not how to care for a child, do gardening, run a household... I think we can't rely on parental education to do this alone & those 2 years are vitally important for a person's education both socially & emotionally; its the last 2 years of schooling for many & when teenagers go through great pains and puberty. I think we should learn Maths to do our accounting, Science to look after ourselves & families, English to write letters & read newspapers, History to know which way to vote, Foreign languages so we can speak them... and so on and so forth; we should be taught morals & ethics, how to care for people & build relationships, how to do DIY & gardening & plumbing, how to cook - all these things we may say come from 'experience' but for many they don't
    Well to be honest, I think all the things you suggested are beneath me. I definately do not think it should be assumed that 16year olds need to know how to garden, care for families or to learn which way to vote, all this comes with life experience that you can't teach people. There is so much more to education than for practical application, and if you are intelligent enough to cope with the demands of a good education you should have it, not be taught a load of random crap that you won't even need for 10yrs probably. However, I do agree that the UK education system is rubbish and needs reforming to be more challenging and to teach more modern languages, as we should be looking to be integrating into Europe pretty soon.
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    (Original post by claire1985)
    Well to be honest, I think all the things you suggested are beneath me. I definately do not think it should be assumed that 16year olds need to know how to garden, care for families or to learn which way to vote, all this comes with life experience that you can't teach people. There is so much more to education than for practical application, and if you are intelligent enough to cope with the demands of a good education you should have it, not be taught a load of random crap that you won't even need for 10yrs probably. However, I do agree that the UK education system is rubbish and needs reforming to be more challenging and to teach more modern languages, as we should be looking to be integrating into Europe pretty soon.
    Be carefull about reforming teh education system. Here in scandinavia the school system is more or less destroyed because of frequent reforms due to political correctness. I say that as long as teh old systems works stick with it, and make changes only if it is necessary. Otherwise you will end up like Norway where the schoolsystem is so hopeless that people go out after the 10th grade of schooling without being able to do division propperly. A lot of the modern ways to teach seem very interesting and look good on paper, but how it would actually work in reality is a different matter.
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    I agree that the things you mentioned should be taught in schools, but not as part of any examination as they are more 'life skills' than anything else, and the basics are far to easy to be examined on at GCSE level. Perhaps they should just be part of compulsory I(C)T lessons at secondary schools.
    Yeh that's where I was refering it to, I assumed it was about secondary school, as GCSE's were mentioned.
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    I agree that the things you mentioned should be taught in schools, but not as part of any examination as they are more 'life skills' than anything else, and the basics are far to easy to be examined on at GCSE level. Perhaps they should just be part of compulsory I(C)T lessons at secondary schools.
    I just hate that you are supposed to write ICT and not IT. Seriously, the peopel who came up with that did obviously not understand teh link between communication and information. I mean for gods sake, what else is communication if not transfer of information ?
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    I just hate that you are supposed to write ICT and not IT. Seriously, the peopel who came up with that did obviously not understand teh link between communication and information. I mean for gods sake, what else is communication if not transfer of information ?
    Ah there was a huge assignment on that at college.
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    (Original post by ToshTrent)
    Ah there was a huge assignment on that at college.
    God, why dont they just insert an M there to make it Information , Communication and Memory Technology. Or add in Processing, Computation , Simulation , Database Management , Intergration, Graphics and Sound to make it ICMPCSDMIGST ? After all, we want to be accurate dont we ?
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    God, why dont they just insert an M there to make it Information , Communication and Memory Technology. Or add in Processing, Computation , Simulation , Database Management , Intergration, Graphics and Sound to make it ICMPCSDMIGST ? After all, we want to be accurate dont we ?
    Yes we do, so you will need to add in Networking Protocols too.
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    I never say ICT in real life. Really, the whole thing is a bit pretentious, Information Technology? Bah. Its like when babysitters call themselves child technicians.
    Yeh, what is it with giving the most crap jobs jazzy titles?

    Eg Office Clerk, now Accounts Administration Executive etc.
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    So that people feel important and others who don't know the truth don't consider their job to be mickey mouse.
    Sad in'it
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    Yes, and I will now take this opportunity to rant a bit. I hate it when people call themselves 'IT Consultant' when they have nothing to do with IT and/or are not a consultant! Agents for IT jobs are the worst offenders, they call themselves things like 'Senior ICT Consultant', when they are just glorified salesmen, and it irritates me that they reel off a list of required skills and dismiss any I might have because they aren't specifically written on their piece of paper, and they don't understand what they mean anyway! So there.
    I agree with you. Some of the people with the qualifications have no idea how to apply it to the work place either, whereas some others do, by learning it on the job. Do we get credit, i think not! lol
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    I was thinking about this earlier, as I don't have the best qualifications in the world, but my ego says I'm the best at what I do in practice. As I'd just been watching The Matrix Reloaded, I remembered the line from the original, "there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path". How true.
    Good quote to give as an example. I found this process extremly annoying in the workplace, so felt going to uni will be the only way to pretty much gn'tee success.
 
 
 
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