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http://education.guardian.co.uk, the Guardian league table.

It's somewhere there.
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http://education.guardian.co.uk, the Guardian league table.

It's somewhere there.
unless you want rankings for individual subjects this is by far and away the best:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...GSFFWAVCBQWIV0
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I'm trying to find league tables of universities, but all I found so far is the Times league. Are there any others?

I heard rumours of a league where you can select which qualities are more important to create a custom league. Has anyone heard of this?
All the University League Tables in one place:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education.../unibigpic.jpg

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All the University League Tables in one place:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education.../unibigpic.jpg

i think i got there first :rolleyes:
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unless you want rankings for individual subjects this is by far and away the best:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...GSFFWAVCBQWIV0
I think you did! The Sunday Times column of that table is from 2002 though. 2003 version is here... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,8403,00.html
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http://education.guardian.co.uk, the Guardian league table.

It's somewhere there.
If you're looking at individual tables, the Guardian is terrible. They don't even include research in the criteria. The overall tables in the Times, Sunday Times and Financial Times are far better. For specific subjects use the Times.
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But then by combining a bunch of aggregated scores which have been compiled using arbitrary weightings you don't actually get much information of value - it's like producing a "greatest britons" listing based on a variety of factors (like hair length, life span, wealth etc etc)- none of which directly relate to a persons achievements and then not providing the underlying score only the final ranking.

It's potentially useful to compare the underlying data (which only the Times provides at a subject level) - combining the final rankings is rediculous (especially when the telegraph table gets equal ranking - despite being the equivalent of a single column in the other league tables (teaching QAA score - a measure that is increasingly obselete)).
True, but it is better to look at data from a range of sources than to rely on specific tables as there is so much variation between them. If you wanted, you could always compile your own ranking using data from other tables and improve the weighting system. Could be fun!

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They don't even include research in the criteria.
So ?
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So ?
Research assessments are in part used to determine the amount of money each department receives in funding and demonstrates the standard of academic staff in their field. Surely research scores are at least as important than the TQA assessments (many of which are ten years out of date), university spending and value added score that are used in the Guardian?
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(Original post by Pencil Queen)
But then by combining a bunch of aggregated scores which have been compiled using arbitrary weightings you don't actually get much information of value - it's like producing a "greatest britons" listing based on a variety of factors (like hair length, life span, wealth etc etc)- none of which directly relate to a persons achievements and then not providing the underlying score only the final ranking.

It's potentially useful to compare the underlying data (which only the Times provides at a subject level) - combining the final rankings is rediculous (especially when the telegraph table gets equal ranking - despite being the equivalent of a single column in the other league tables (teaching QAA score - a measure that is increasingly obselete)).
yea v.true...so do u agree that one should pay more attention to the subject tables rather than the overall rankings when applying? coz a uni offers such a wide range of subjects...and every student can only do one degree. also, a uni's performance in one subject can be v.different comparing to another. perhaps it's the best to apply to a uni which is among the best...like top 5 in the subject, but also has a great overall performance...like top 10 in the overall table.
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Yay - Nottingham are 6th in that league
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Research assessments are in part used to determine the amount of money each department receives in funding and demonstrates the standard of academic staff in their field. Surely research scores are at least as important than the TQA assessments (many of which are ten years out of date), university spending and value added score that are used in the Guardian?
Research isn't as important a factor in all fields, especially not in the arts.
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Such tables as the Telegraph ones are slightly misleading. Its important to look at individual subject tables.

For example, the prestiege of different subjects within the same uni vary greatly. At Kings for example, for many subjects it is rather mediocre (I wont mention them as someone is bound to get offended). However its law school holds quite a lot of prestiege with law firms and other employers. The law degree certainly holds more prestiege than the same programme from some universities listed above it by the Telegraph (Birmingham, Bath, SOAS, maybe Manchester) and SOME would say its on an equal footing with the other universities (with the obvious exception of Oxbridge). Also, some of the universites listed above Kings dont even offer law (Imperial, York, Loughborough). So it could actually be 8th!

This just highlights a) The importance of looking at individual subject tables, and b) Why tables shouldn't be the sole reason for applying somewhere.

Also, considering the stats taken for the Telegraph table seem to be so non-specific, the division of the universities into stark groups (Premier, First, Second, etc) seems illogical and misleading.
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Oh, and Kings is quite good at history and (from what I've heard) medicine.
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The source of that Telegraph table is also out of date.
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unless you want rankings for individual subjects this is by far and away the best:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...GSFFWAVCBQWIV0

I 'm not sure about the rankings under "Employers"
UMIST 2nd
oxford 3rd
Leeds:9th
UCL: 21th
LSE: 23rd
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I 'm not sure about the rankings under "Employers"
UMIST 2nd
oxford 3rd
Leeds:9th
UCL: 21th
LSE: 23rd
I'm not sure about those rankings either, but the graduate employment survey that Pencil Queen posted a few days ago actually had similar results.

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I'm not sure about those rankings either, but the graduate employment survey that Pencil Queen posted a few days ago actually had similar results.

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Link to that post?
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(Original post by James_W)
Link to that post?
http://www.uk-learning.net/t31883-4.html

The second of the two tables posted bears the closest resemblence to the Employer column of the Telegraph Table.
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