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Original post by Spaz Man
OK thanks for agreeing. :wink:


Thanks for whining like a baby while 600,000 Jews (and counting) continue to live in Judea and Samaria regardless of what you say.

":wink:"
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Original post by AssadDaysLimited
Thanks for whining like a baby while 600,000 Jews (and counting) continue to live in Judea and Samaria regardless of what you say.

":wink:"


I have no problem with them living there, just as long as they are inclusive.
Original post by Chindits
I've run out of rep to give, but you're correct.

They also supported Saddam's invasion of Kuwait even though Kuwait had allowed many 'palestinians' in to work. Thousands were thrown out after the war was over.

Arafat and his gang were allowed into Jordan. They proceeded to try and overthrow the King. The cheeky little savages even set up checkpoints in Jordan. Thousands of them were killed when the Jordanians got fed up and threw them out.

Of course as you mentioned they hijacked Lebanon, used it as a launchpad for attacks against Israel and kicked off the Lebanese civil war.

They have taken part in attacks against Egyptians even though Egyptians have been their biggest supporters.

They were given free reign by Assad to operate from Syria against Israel since 1988. Planning suicide attacks from Damascus. As soon as the civil war kicked off, they hedged their bets and deserted Assad who had helped them all these years.



They are just inherent back-stabbers and you can be friends with one for years - he'll still slit your throat without hesitation if it gains him anything.

Awful.

Never ever trust them.


They will never have a state, Israel better hurry up with the settlements lol
Original post by Spaz Man
I have no problem with them living there, just as long as they are inclusive.


As part of Oslo Accords, 60% of the West Bank (Area C) should be under full Israeli military and civil control. Only 2% of West Bank Palestinians live in this area. Perhaps Israel should annex Area C and build proper cities?
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Original post by AssadDaysLimited
As part of Oslo Accords, 60% of the West Bank (Area C) should be under full Israeli military and civil control. Only 2% of West Bank Palestinians live in this area. Perhaps Israel should annex Area C and build proper cities?


They practically are, just in a slow way.
Original post by Spaz Man
They practically are, just in a slow way.


This is so exciting
Reply 26
Original post by AssadDaysLimited
This is so exciting


Why?
Original post by Spaz Man
Why?


Nobody wants another terror state, especially after Hillary and 0bong0's Arab Spring.
Original post by Chindits
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So basically you're unwilling to listen to other people's views based on your own bias. It's ironic that you call the BBC biased. At least the BBC is able to look at the facts, and make a valid judgement as opposed to you who doesn't seem to care what people have said about things that have happened before
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Original post by AssadDaysLimited
Nobody wants another terror state, especially after Hillary and 0bong0's Arab Spring.


I'm confused.

Can you please connect all of your thoughts together into constructive arguments?
Original post by Spaz Man
I'm confused.

Can you please connect all of your thoughts together into constructive arguments?


Look at all these Arab countries that are crumbling.. from Northern Africa to the borders of Iran, these nationalities that were created by Britain and France in Sykes-Picot (1916) and San Remo (1920) are proving to be artificial in the face of the sectarian conflict and the situation on the ground that has existed for hundreds of years. Mark my words, by the time these wars and uprisings end, the borders that exist today (on paper that is) will not be the same.

The Palestinians have always been a part of the larger Arab community; in terms of history, culture, language and ethnicity they are not in any way a separate group of people than their neighbors. 70% of Jordan is palestinian Arabs. In fact the term "Palestinian people" was first used in 1964, and their is the Jordanian flag without its star, created in 1988.

Now why do you want another failed state that will bring even more instability to the region? already the PA and Hamas are in a fight.

The Mandate for Palestine called for only one Arab state - that state today is called Jordan. Why do we suddenly need another one?

Israel withdrew its settlements from Gaza, and that only resulted in 14,000 rockets being shot at Israel. If Israel does anything foolish in the West Bank, you'll read the news every morning and hear of rocket attacks on Ben Gurion airport and Tel Aviv.

No more failed terrorist states.
The fact that both sides think the BBC is biased against them probably means they're being as neutral as possible. Some reporterts will be pro-Israel; some reporters will be pro-Palestine. The tone of the articles will reflect this.
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Original post by AssadDaysLimited
Look at all these Arab countries that are crumbling.. from Northern Africa to the borders of Iran, these nationalities that were created by Britain and France in Sykes-Picot (1916) and San Remo (1920) are proving to be artificial in the face of the sectarian conflict and the situation on the ground that has existed for hundreds of years. Mark my words, by the time these wars and uprisings end, the borders that exist today (on paper that is) will not be the same.

The Palestinians have always been a part of the larger Arab community; in terms of history, culture, language and ethnicity they are not in any way a separate group of people than their neighbors. 70% of Jordan is palestinian Arabs. In fact the term "Palestinian people" was first used in 1964, and their is the Jordanian flag without its star, created in 1988.

Now why do you want another failed state that will bring even more instability to the region? already the PA and Hamas are in a fight.

The Mandate for Palestine called for only one Arab state - that state today is called Jordan. Why do we suddenly need another one?

Israel withdrew its settlements from Gaza, and that only resulted in 14,000 rockets being shot at Israel. If Israel does anything foolish in the West Bank, you'll read the news every morning and hear of rocket attacks on Ben Gurion airport and Tel Aviv.

No more failed terrorist states.


Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt aren't failed states. They've had their problems but as nation-states they are functioning. You're probably right about Iraq and Syria. Why not just adhere to international law and allow the establishment of a state of Palestine? Or at the very least, allow all Palestinians in the West Bank Israeli citizenship and full rights as part of a greater Israel?

I disagree with the Palestinian culture and people point. They are definitely a separate Semitic entity to other Arab nations.
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Original post by Spaz Man
Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt aren't failed states. They've had their problems but as nation-states they are functioning. You're probably right about Iraq and Syria. Why not just adhere to international law and allow the establishment of a state of Palestine? Or at the very least, allow all Palestinians in the West Bank Israeli citizenship and full rights as part of a greater Israel?

I disagree with the Palestinian culture and people point. They are definitely a separate Semitic entity to other Arab nations.


umm you do realize Lebanon doesn't have a government at the moment? of course there's the state within a state called Hezbollah, and Syrian rebels marching in whenever they feel like it. Massive car bombs in Beirut and Tripoli, rocket attacks on Northern Lebanon, the Syrian air force casually flying by and bombing Arsal, oh and that KFC restaurant in Tripoli got burnt down last year :/
How cute, a country controlled by Iran and the GCC.. living the dream.

Egypt is stable? really?

King Abdullah's regime won't last forever. We'll have Al Qaeda jihadists putting their feet in the Jordan Valley.

Establishing a palestinian state is not international law. Establishing a palestinian state is to do with demographics and something Israel will need in order to stay a Jewish majority state. So what's the problem? lets see:

1) The PA's idea of a Palestinian state is to drag 5 million Arabs from surrounding countries and settle them in Israel (hello? doesn't that defeat the whole concept of two states for two peoples?). Now this is ridiculous - for starters, refugee status is not inherited. International law does not define the grandchildren of those who fled conflict, those who never stepped food in Israel in their entire life, as 'refugees'.

How come France is a French state? How come Japan is a Japanese state? How come Iran is a Persian state? Why should Israel be different and have to take millions of foreigners into the country, destroying its Jewish majority?

Now I'm not suggesting that you support this, but the point is that its what the PA wants as part of any ideal. Already 6 offers for a palestinian state have been turned down simply because of the so-called "refugee" problem.

2) Abbas a few weeks ago said loud and clear that he wants a Jew-free state. For starters, several of the so-called "settlements" like Hartuv, Kfar Etzion, Hebron and many neighborhoods in East Jerusalem were purchased by Jews in the Ottoman Empire. The only reason why they got destroyed was because Jordan attacked and illegally annexed Judea and Samaria (and renamed it "West Bank") and deported all these Jews and destroyed their homes. When Jordan attacked again in 1967 and lost the war, suddenly its a crime for the Jews to move back into their homes. Imagine if Israel called for 1.5 million Arab-Israelis to move out of their homes - this is what the PA is basically asking for.

3) Security. The PA doesn't want a single foreign soldier to walk on the Jordan Valley. This poses a great problem because jihadists will start smuggling weapons into civilian areas in the West Bank - the same situation exists today in Egypt, Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. If the situation was merely about shaping new borders, then believe me every single Israeli would celebrate a Palestinian state; but sadly there is a lot more to it.

The truth is, the definition of a Palestinian state for us in the west is not in any way the same concept Arab countries understand.
For us, Palestine means getting rid of checkpoints in the West Bank.
In Arab countries, Palestine is from the river to the sea.
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Original post by Kiss
I don't care if they are biased against Israel.


That's ridiculous. I would care if they were biased against North Korea or the Khmer Rouge. Then again, it would be very difficult to be biased against those two because they represent pure evil; the point however, is that you should always wish for honest reporting, not biased reporting. Wishing for biased reporting implies that you are a bigot and only wish to hear what you want to hear and not the actual truth.

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