why do men get longer sentences for the same crime?
The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.
Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.
Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7995844/Judges-told-be-more-lenient-to-women-criminals.html
this is both the UK and US. how can such injustice be tolerated ? why aren't feminists outraged?
remember the recent ''man punches woman through glass'' video? well, the bloke was arrested even though she initiated the violence twice by kicking him in the balls then punching him in the face.
Devon and Cornwall Police told The Telegraph that the blonde girl seen in the clip was not arrested. She received a slight injury in the incident as did the male.
she starts the violence , both are injured. why wasn't she arrested ?
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Original post by Le Nombre
Probably due to societal view of women as being less violent etc. and more caring. Most judges are male and old, dunno whether that may affect their attitude to women at the indictable level.
read the Uk article, all judges are being TOLD to go easy on women. even if it was just old male judges, why aren't the feminists fighting for equality?
Quoting Supreme Court judge Baroness Hale, it added: "It is now well recognised that a misplaced conception of equality has resulted in some very unequal treatment for women and girls.''
this particular quote is just unbelievable. un****ingbelievable.
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Original post by mimi112
read the Uk article, all judges are being TOLD to go easy on women. even if it was just old male judges, why aren't the feminists fighting for equality?
this particular quote is just unbelievable. un****ingbelievable.
this particular quote is just unbelievable. un****ingbelievable.
They can tell them what they like, they don't have to do it. The only limit on a judge is the maximum sentence by statute for the crime for which they're sentencing.
How is that unbelieable? Hale is a well known feminist, not that I'm sure this is relevant as Hale is not the SC's criminal specialist, that's Lord Hughes' job.
That's funny. It used to be the other way round, according to stats. I wonder if whether this is the result of an attempt to make female and male sentencing equal gone awry (i.e. instead of achieving parity, females then got lesser sentences) or whether the original data was faulty.
Original post by Le Nombre
They can tell them what they like, they don't have to do it. The only limit on a judge is the maximum sentence by statute for the crime for which they're sentencing.
How is that unbelieable? Hale is a well known feminist, not that I'm sure this is relevant as Hale is not the SC's criminal specialist, that's Lord Hughes' job.
How is that unbelieable? Hale is a well known feminist, not that I'm sure this is relevant as Hale is not the SC's criminal specialist, that's Lord Hughes' job.
she is saying we women want equal rights but not when it doesn't suit us. and nobody dares (in the mainstream anyway) to point out how ''is this real life'' that is?
Cos men do them more effectively than women
Because females cant bend people over in the showers. Prison sentences are meant to be as excruciatingly painful deterrents as possible. Females just don't have the potential to help this goal along as males do. Hence, males get a longer sentence than their female counterparts in favour of the greater public good.
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It's all the fault of the Evil Feminists.
Original post by mimi112
she is saying we women want equal rights but not when it doesn't suit us. and nobody dares (in the mainstream anyway) to point out how ''is this real life'' that is?
I doubt she is, I think she's saying you have to take account of differences in gender ie. it shouldn't be a problem that there are more men in jobs involving labouring, as the average male is stronger or more female gynaecologists and male urologists, as people prefer their own gender for that job.
It's the same as the idea that maternity and paternity leave should be equal, but it is accepted women are going to need to take the earlier stint as men cannot breast feed nor do they need to physically recover from birth.
Original post by Octopus_Garden
That's funny. It used to be the other way round, according to stats. I wonder if whether this is the result of an attempt to make female and male sentencing equal gone awry (i.e. instead of achieving parity, females then got lesser sentences) or whether the original data was faulty.
Really what stats, or articles regarding the stats? Was it custodial?
I am surprised to hear that female criminals got held to a higher standard than male criminals.
I can only guess it is somewhere between the current situation (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2012-10-16a.32.1 summary below) & suggestions of closing women prisons, to the past (http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/chivalry-justice-in-1921-anti-misandry.html) where women judges were needed to see through tears (my personal experience as well! Women knew their strengths then as well).
http://brightonmanplan.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/five-myths-about-the-sentencing-of-female-offenders
- A higher proportion of men are given a sentence of immediate custody than women, irrespective of age of offender (juveniles, young adults or adult) and type of court (magistrates or Crown)
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In 2009 58% of male offenders who entered a guilty plea for an indictable offence were given an immediate custodial sentence compared to only 34% of women
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For every type of offence group a higher proportion of males pleading guilty were sentenced to immediate custody than females
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A greater percentage of males were sentenced to immediate custody than females (29% compared with 17%), which has been the case in each year since 2005
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Women shoplifters are less likely than comparable males to receive a prison sentence
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Among repeat offenders women are less likely to receive a custodial sentence
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Women first-time offenders are significantly less likely than equivalent men to receive a prison sentence for a drug offence
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In 2009, a lower proportion of women who had a pre-sentence report that recommended immediate custody went on to receive this sentence than men (83% compared with 90% for males)
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For all other sentence options recommended in pre-sentence reports (Suspended Sentence Order, all community sentences or fines), a higher proportion of males received custodial sentences than females.
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For offenders where probation officers have recommended custodial sentences, a higher proportion of men are given a sentence
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In 2009, women given an immediate custodial sentence for indictable offences received shorter average sentence lengths than men (11 months compared to 17 months for males)
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The average male prison sentence is over 50% more than the average female prison sentence
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On average, males served a greater proportion of their sentence in custody – 53 per cent compared to 48 per cent for females in the quarter ending December 2011
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Women have 50% more chance than men of being released from prison early on home detention curfew.
When women do wrong its "mental health or educational difficulties", no same leniency for men then?
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Because feminists would be outraged. Of course, only men commit crime.
Original post by rad_student
Really what stats, or articles regarding the stats? Was it custodial?
I am surprised to hear that female criminals got held to a higher standard than male criminals.
I am surprised to hear that female criminals got held to a higher standard than male criminals.
This was a discrepancy or thought to be a possible discrepancy over ten years ago. I doubt data is available! The hypotheses back then to explain it were, IIRC
1) judges held women to a higher standard,
2) faulty data.
3) something else.
I'm afraid I never took a great interest in the issue at the time, so I can't give you more information than that.
It's nothing to do with feminists at all. It's something called the 'halo effect'. Society has deemed women to be gentle, trustworthy, less capable of 'evil'. Thus we as society find women to be less culpable in crime and deserving of lesser punishments.
As a feminist, I think this is something that needs to be challenged and changed.
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As a feminist, I think this is something that needs to be challenged and changed.
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Coz women are lovely and harmless, and men are evil brats.
Original post by rad_student
When women do wrong its "mental health or educational difficulties", no same leniency for men then?
woman kills baby = poor thing, baby blues , postpartum etc
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/12/mother-convicted-killing-her-baby-daughter-spared-jail
A mother who admitted killing her baby daughter while she was "in a maelstrom of fatigue and mental disorder" caused by postnatal depression has been spared jail.
man kills baby= omg monster, castrate him then burn him alive
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mark-lackenby-dad-jailed-killing-1786508
A dad who shook and killed his baby daughter when he lost his temper as he watched a football match on TV has been jailed for 10 years.
seriously, you see these stories almost every week. why isn't anyone outraged? women literally get away with murder. they are never guilty, it's either mental issues or her daddy didn't love her or she was influenced by her boyfriend. when they get sentenced the length is pathetic. only men are responsible for their acts.
Original post by Octopus_Garden
That's funny. It used to be the other way round, according to stats. I wonder if whether this is the result of an attempt to make female and male sentencing equal gone awry (i.e. instead of achieving parity, females then got lesser sentences) or whether the original data was faulty.
Funny isn't the word I'd use...
Original post by ninuzu
Funny isn't the word I'd use...
Original post by Octopus_Garden
Now, now, you know that it's traditional to say "funny peculiar, or funny ha ha" with a worried expression. Surely the British education system hasn't degraded in quality that much!
Haha don't worry, I was only messing around. I assure you my educaton so far has been more than satisfactory!
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