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another rates of change question

a hollow right circular cone whose height is twice the radius is held with the vertex downwards and water is poured in at the rate of 4 cm^3s^-1

show when the depth of the water = h, V= (pi x h^3) / 12

dv/dt = 4

dh/dt = dv/dt x dh/dv

dh/dv = 2/3 x pi x r x h

I said r = h/2
and ended up with (8 x pi x h^2) / 6 so ive obviously gone wrong

anyone able to show me where i went wrong
thanks
Reply 1
Original post by hatsuko
a hollow right circular cone whose height is twice the radius is held with the vertex downwards and water is poured in at the rate of 4 cm^3s^-1

show when the depth of the water = h, V= (pi x h^3) / 12

dv/dt = 4

dh/dt = dv/dt x dh/dv

dh/dv = 2/3 x pi x r x h

I said r = h/2
and ended up with (8 x pi x h^2) / 6 so ive obviously gone wrong

anyone able to show me where i went wrong
thanks


You are still making exactly the same error as in the previous question

Ask your teacher
Original post by hatsuko
a hollow right circular cone whose height is twice the radius is held with the vertex downwards and water is poured in at the rate of 4 cm^3s^-1

show when the depth of the water = h, V= (pi x h^3) / 12

dv/dt = 4

dh/dt = dv/dt x dh/dv

dh/dv = 2/3 x pi x r x h

I said r = h/2
and ended up with (8 x pi x h^2) / 6 so ive obviously gone wrong

anyone able to show me where i went wrong
thanks


So what is V?

V=13πr2hV= \frac{1}{3} \pi r^2 h

You need 'h' and no 'r'. So what could you replace 'r' with?
Reply 3
Original post by pleasedtobeatyou


So what is V?

V=13πr2hV= \frac{1}{3} \pi r^2 h

You need 'h' and no 'r'. So what could you replace 'r' with?

h/2 ?
Original post by hatsuko
h/2 ?


Yes.
Reply 5
Original post by pleasedtobeatyou
Yes.

i subd that in and differentiated and got the answer, but why dont you have to time by 4?
Original post by hatsuko
i subd that in and differentiated and got the answer, but why dont you have to time by 4?


Find (h/2)^2 and substitute it back into the equation for the volume of the cone.

Remember to square both the numerator and denominator.
Reply 7
Original post by pleasedtobeatyou
Find (h/2)^2 and substitute it back into the equation for the volume of the cone.

Remember to square both the numerator and denominator.

oh i see what u mean, i thought you had to x4 because water is going in ar 4 cm^3s^-1, but its just asking for the volume at h
Reply 8
Original post by pleasedtobeatyou
Find (h/2)^2 and substitute it back into the equation for the volume of the cone.

Remember to square both the numerator and denominator.

there is a second part, find in terms of pi, the rate of rise of the water when the depth is 2cm I got

dh/dt = dv/dt x dh/dv

dh/dv = pih^3 / 12

h=2

answer = 8pi/3, does this look right?
Reply 9
Original post by hatsuko
there is a second part, find in terms of pi, the rate of rise of the water when the depth is 2cm I got

dh/dt = dv/dt x dh/dv

dh/dv = pih^3 / 12

h=2

answer = 8pi/3, does this look right?


Seriously - ASK YOUR TEACHER
Original post by hatsuko
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I have to agree with TenOfThem here.

There's no point using the chain rule when you don't understand the basic rules of differentiation.

Ask your teacher for help/clarification ASAP.
Reply 11
Original post by pleasedtobeatyou
I have to agree with TenOfThem here.

There's no point using the chain rule when you don't understand the basic rules of differentiation.

Ask your teacher for help/clarification ASAP.

oh, its wrong then? :frown:

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