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i am a man and i think it is mostly social construct (18)
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(Original post by darius12345)
It is not reasonable to read a few Wikipedia pages, books, anthropology classes as that and make such a sweeping statement. I get the feeling you that you want gender to be socially constructed so you can fit it in a nice PC world-view that you have. There is clearly a significant biological difference between men and women on every level - and it is very reasonable that this has a massive effect upon how they behave, similarly it is true that society dictates in part how men and women act - but there is no way you can just state it is largely a social construct.
Then how can you state that it is largely biological?
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(Original post by Watch Key Phone)
Then how can you state that it is largely biological?
I'm not, but it is not an unrealistic assumption to make. Males and females are anatomically very different, they have different gentials, they have different hormonal levels (which affect their mental faculties), totally different puberties, different level of athletic ability, skeletal differences, different levels and areas of fat deposition, different chromosome make-up. basically every aspect of their physical and mental constitution differs. It si not unreasonable to suggest that these differences manifest themselves in the way men and women behave, in fact it is ridiculous to say they don't have a significant effect - the only way you could claim they don't is if you're pushing some sort of agenda. I am not saying it is largely biological for sure (although I do believe the biological component is the most important - and this also is why we see these social differences) - I am not an expert - but it is pure pseudoscience to claim "it is largely/all socially conditioned".
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Some people on this topic can't distinguish "sex" from "gender" :facepalm:.

Sex is biological (you can either be male or female), gender is social (what a certain society deems "masculine" or "feminine"). Please learn to use the terms correctly when you can.
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Hmm. I'm actually thinking mostly nature - cases where children have been raised as the opposite gender have nearly always resulted in sex reassignment surgery as they didn't feel like they were in the right body. That heavily implies that gender is a naturally occurring thing.

Obviously there's gender roles, blah blah blah sexism, but that can't account for people like David Reimer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer . It just doesn't make sense when you have cases like that.

Not to mention things like men being better at navigating using compass directions, which has been tested a bunch of times. Radical differences between genders like that support that it's nature. No one taught men how to navigate while the women were out of the rhetorical room.
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Nope. It's what your genitals say and in before some tumblr spawn tells me that's what your sex is :rolleyes:
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Out of curosity, any of the peeps saying that it's social, and thus totally made up have any evidence to back the statement up.
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Well it wasn't the case in the past but now women have been masculinised, they are the same as men inside. They act like men.
And my last sentence isn't ridiculous, it is a realistic scenario which could happen soon.
What do you mean by girls act like men? It sounds ridiculously sexist, then again it's not like I expect anything different from you...
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A question for anyone who believes it is mostly or purely biological: how do you explain the existence of transgender people (including non-binary people)?
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Mostly social. Biological basis but society has taken over from there
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(Original post by Watch Key Phone)
A question for anyone who believes it is mostly or purely biological: how do you explain the existence of transgender people (including non-binary people)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_...based_theories

(I'm not claiming it is mostly biological, but I would be more inclined to believe that than it being mostly sociologically based - I mean it would have to be one hell of an amazing conditioning because the overwhelming majority of humans fit into gender roles roughly.
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(Original post by Watch Key Phone)
A question for anyone who believes it is mostly or purely biological: how do you explain the existence of transgender people (including non-binary people)?
Brain being male or female. For lack of better way of putting, although i'm not a fan of putting peeps into such narrow boxes.

EG Transgendered peeps say they've always been a man or woman, since a young age.
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(Original post by pink pineapple)
What do mean by girls act like men? It sounds ridiculously sexist, then again it's not like I expect anything different from you...
I'm surprised you wouldn't know.. When I say act like men, I mean doing things that men would traditionally do. Getting into fights, punch ups, getting broken noses etc. Swearing excessively in every sentence, exposing themselves. Hurling abuse at people.
Obviously I don't mean all women but in general, they have taken on masculine qualities and it's now socially acceptable for women to do those things.
I'm not trying to be sexist at all but it's just a fact of life and what the world is like today.
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It's mostly an evolutionary thing, IMO.

Obviously superficial stuff like girls wear make up, men don't or whatever, is a social construct but the differences in way of thinking are largely a nature thing.
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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
It's a social construct. The traits we assign to men and women are not innate to each gender but are the result of the socialisation we receive throughout our lives. Boys and girls are treated differently from childhood and rewarded for different types of behaviour which create differences that were not there before/exacerbate differences that may already be there. It is undeniable that the our ideas of what each gender should be influences how people perceive and act out their own gender identity.
Have you got any evidence that biology has absolutely no impact on sex attributes and behavioural trends?
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Gender is a normal distribution. It looks something like this:

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I'm willing to bet that quite a lot of it is Biology, although some of that "Biology" is the willingness to adapt to social norms. However, it really shouldn't alter how we treat one another, because being Biologically determined does not somehow imply that we are all the same or should all be the same.
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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
It's reasonable to assume that - it's all you've been taught your entire life. Most people are never asked to question whether these differences are 'natural' or whether how we think can be influenced by the society we grew up in. I'd advise that you read a little about gender theories - a few Wikipedia pages will do - just to see whether you're so sure about this when you actually know something about the topic.
There's no need to read any literature.

I'll just put this here - it's the first woman referee being too scared to stop a fight in the UFC. Why's it important? Because it's a male-driven sport and referees are typically male who throw themselves in the middle of two opponents if one is getting beaten into unconsciousness. She did none of that.



The relevance is that she's been trained to a high standard to stop a fight appropriately - the same standard that men are trained to, yet she didn't.
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(Original post by thoyub)
I'm surprised you wouldn't know.. When I say act like men, I mean doing things that men would traditionally do. Getting into fights, punch ups, getting broken noses etc. Swearing excessively in every sentence, exposing themselves. Hurling abuse at people.
Obviously I don't mean all women but in general, they have taken on masculine qualities and it's now socially acceptable for women to do those things.
I'm not trying to be sexist at all but it's just a fact of life and what the world is like today.
I know there are women like this and I find it just as disgusting. I'd never hurt anyone I hardly ever swear, only when I'm angry or something has gone wrong. Even if you say it's not all women, the fact that you think most girls act like this is still not right.
Please don't tell me 'it's not sexist, it's just the truth', you know you are like this and saying how it's the 'truth' doesn't justify what you say at all.
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No, it's a biological fact. This relentless drive from some people to try and pretend that men and woman would be exactly the same if it wasn't for society is getting boring.
You are wrong.

Sex is a biological fact. Gender is indeed a social construct.

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You are wrong.

Sex is a biological fact. Gender is indeed a social construct.

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Like I asked early on, any evidence that gender is 100% social, and thusly made up.
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Like I asked early on, any evidence that gender is 100% social, and thusly made up.
I can back it up actually but I can't be bothered to.

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