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Someday we will locate a planet (planet x) suitable for human habitation and develop a feasible means to transport people to its’ surface. Most anyone will be able go. All that would be required is a large but obtainable fare and a fearless determination. Most of us will dismiss the opportunity as too drastic of a change, or too risky. Many will be unwilling to abandon friends and family. All who stay will have legitimate reasons for doing so, but what about the ones who are willing to go?

While the talkers remain on earth complaining about a lack of equality and opportunity, prospective colonists will have embraced it. The only times in human history in which people are true equals is during the creation of something new. Those who are more than equal amongst us, instinctively know this. To an untamable spirit the increased potential to be an explorer, innovator, or visionary is undeniable. They will dismiss the excuses and just go. They will go for land. They will go for adventure. They will go to conquer, and they will go to build. Amongst them will be greatness. They will thrive.

Back on Earth we will attempt to exploit them. We will feel they owe us for facilitating their original efforts. However, the combination of their remote location and admirable spirit will be insurmountable to those who would repress them. They will inevitably achieve their liberation.

This New World will have an almost unique opportunity to found a society which exceeds anything humanity has ever known. They will be armed with an understanding of where we have failed in the past, and the benefit of a clean slate. With a little luck, the space colonists will be represented by some brilliant and noble persons. People who set a course to inspire those they would govern instead of subjugate them. We should hope the people of planet x do not fail to cherish and protect that gift.

When their time comes, and it will, hopefully they won’t fail to realize that potential, the way those who came before them have.
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tl;dr

but yeah i'd like to get the **** off this planet

sign me up for the mars mission pls
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Only if I'm there I'm afraid.
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I honestly believe 'the new world' will just be populated by big mining corporations and will do nothing noble like you suggest.
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Unless someone takes huge IVF vats and sperm banks on the spaceships, by the time we get to planet X, the crew will be a literally a bunch of inbred morons, not the best and brightest.
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Unless someone takes huge IVF vats and sperm banks on the spaceships, by the time we get to planet X, the crew will be a literally a bunch of inbred morons, not the best and brightest.
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I'm not sure if this was a joke of sorts but it doesn't make sense to me. Say there is a crew of 4: 2 men and 2 women who are unrelated...
women 1 and 2 men a and b -- you'd have children of sort 1a 2a 1b 2b and then child 2a1b and 1a2b and so on. It would be fine, wouldn't it?
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Isn't that the plot of Elysium?
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I'm not sure if this was a joke of sorts but it doesn't make sense to me. Say there is a crew of 4: 2 men and 2 women who are unrelated...
women 1 and 2 men a and b -- you'd have children of sort 1a 2a 1b 2b and then child 2a1b and 1a2b and so on. It would be fine, wouldn't it?
There's been academic study on it. Generation ships are very unlikely to be able to support enough people to have a viable gene pool through natural procreation.

There are also much more human factors. Just because you and your spouse are (literally) rocket scientists, and you get on a spaceship - it's entirely possible that your children will be rubbish at maths. On earth, if they happen to be good at Ancient Greek or want to become lawyers, that's no problem. But when you are out past Alpha Centuri and you need someone to take over fixing the engine of the spaceship, that's going to present something of a problem.
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I feel the exact opposite would probably be the actual reality. Only the wealthy elites who seek to control and regulate society in our current world would be the only ones who could afford to go.
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And people say 2001 A Space Odyssey isn't about evolution.
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There's been academic study on it. Generation ships are very unlikely to be able to support enough people to have a viable gene pool through natural procreation.

There are also much more human factors. Just because you and your spouse are (literally) rocket scientists, and you get on a spaceship - it's entirely possible that your children will be rubbish at maths. On earth, if they happen to be good at Ancient Greek or want to become lawyers, that's no problem. But when you are out past Alpha Centuri and you need someone to take over fixing the engine of the spaceship, that's going to present something of a problem.
Just send Asians. Problem solved! :borat:
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(Original post by Occams Chainsaw)
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I'm not sure if this was a joke of sorts but it doesn't make sense to me. Say there is a crew of 4: 2 men and 2 women who are unrelated...
women 1 and 2 men a and b -- you'd have children of sort 1a 2a 1b 2b and then child 2a1b and 1a2b and so on. It would be fine, wouldn't it?
But then those kids would have to breed amongst each other, which again is fine so long as they don't share a grandparent. But then those kids will have to breed and they won't be able to without inbreeding because they will all be related in some way because they will all have the same grandparents or a same parent.
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But then those kids would have to breed amongst each other, which again is fine so long as they don't share a grandparent. But then those kids will have to breed and they won't be able to without inbreeding because they will all be related in some way because they will all have the same grandparents or a same parent.
I appreciate that my example was a little vague. I am assuming that there would be more than 1 four man team when we send guys out to take over planets
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But then those kids would have to breed amongst each other, which again is fine so long as they don't share a grandparent. But then those kids will have to breed and they won't be able to without inbreeding because they will all be related in some way because they will all have the same grandparents or a same parent.
Exactly - can you imagine the social chaos on such a ship?

Generation 0 (the people lifting off from earth) are going to be fine. They have established their jobs and skills, and can marry who they like and have children with who they like.

Generation 1 have problems. Firstly, they are being brought up on Noah's Ark. Secondly, the have to pick their professions out of a very small pool of opportunity. If they are no good at Maths, then it's likely that there will only be a few vacancies for chefs, and none at all for artists or poets. They probably won't have relationship issues, though.

Generation 2 is where it starts to go Pete Tong. The Gen 0 people will be starting to die off. There will soon be no original people to pass on skills and knowledge. It becomes imperative that children who have the ability are forced into learning the necessary technical professions to prevent the starship doing a mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the nearest planet.
If there is a second generation of non-techies, there is going to be serious stuff going down. On top of that, not only will people have their futures dictated to them, there will be severe restrictions on who they can or cannot procreate with. They may well be told that they either have children by donor or not at all.

By Gen 3, it's going to be a fascist eugenicist state on-board. Half the kids in school will have common ancestors and there will be an educational apartheid based on who is capable of becoming a astromechanic, and who isn't. There could very likely be a large number of second-class families where there are no techies. What exactly do you do with unemployable people in space?

By Gen 4, no-one is going to have a clue where they are going or why. There will be no-one on board who has seen Earth. Religion, society and social values will probably have been warped out of all recognition. I would be surprised if it got this far without some new religious or political sect blowing up the ship.
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(Original post by Clip)
Exactly - can you imagine the social chaos on such a ship?

Generation 0 (the people lifting off from earth are ok) are going to be fine. They have established their jobs and skills, and can marry who they like and have children with who they like.

Generation 1 have problems. Firstly, they are being brought up on Noah's Ark. Secondly, the have to pick their professions out of a very small pool of opportunity. If they are no good at Maths, then it's likely that there will only be a few vacancies for chefs, and none at all for artists or poets. They probably won't have relationship issues, though.

Generation 2 is where it starts to go Pete Tong. The Gen 0 people will be starting to die off. There will soon be no original people to pass on skills and knowledge. It becomes imperative that children who have the ability are forced into learning the necessary technical professions to prevent the starship doing a mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the nearest planet.
If there is a second generation of non-techies, there is going to be serious stuff going down. On top of that, not only will people have their futures dictated to them, there will be severe restrictions on who they can or cannot procreate with. They may well be told that they either have children by donor or not at all.

By Gen 3, it's going to be a fascist eugenicist state on-board. Half the kids in school will have common ancestors and there will be an educational apartheid based on who is capable of becoming a astromechanic, and who isn't. There could very likely be a large number of second-class families where there are no techies. What exactly do you do with unemployable people in space?

By Gen 4, no-one is going to have a clue where they are going or why. There will be no-one on board who has seen Earth. Religion, society and social values will probably have been warped out of all recognition. I would be surprised if it got this far without some new religious or political sect blowing up the ship.
This would make an interesting documentry
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One must only look at emigration to the new world to get a apt comparison. Who went to America? The persecuted, the poor, the religious minorities, the Irish and such groups far more than the best of us.
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Most anyone will be able go.
Do people really say most instead of almost?
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It will just be a repeat of Columbus and the New World...
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Not anyone will be able to go. It isn't the same as it was tens of thousand years ago when tribes could build a raft and sail to a new world, or simply walk there. In order to go to a new planet you need resources that require money rather than simple resources that you can just pluck out of nature. Only the richest will be able to go - not the most "noble".

Anyway I think that if we were to colonise space it would take time for them to become successful in the new environment. Space is harsh and they'll run into a lot of dangers. People on earth will probably be better off until after about 50 years of space colonization, when (if) they found out how to overcome all the hardships.
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