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The consensus amongst many is that richer countries have a responsibility to help poorer countries, such as those in Africa. Why is this?

African countries were very keen to overthrow their colonial rulers, but the post-colonial era has been disastrous for Africa, with corruption, war and famine. Then, when it becomes apparent that these countries are unfit to rule themselves, we are asked to help them by donating money which makes no difference whatsoever.

African countries are the way they are because of incompetent leadership. These are sovereign nations and so should be responsible for the care of people. Why should rich countries, who have managed to successfully govern their land, be forced to help countries which have been unable to do so?

African countries made their bed by kicking out colonial powers, now they should sleep in it and try and sort themselves out rather than asking for money from successful nations.

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It was the colonies that threw them into that mess.
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Africa is in a mess because of corruption and simple lack of political and economic freedoms (see maps of political and economic freedom for evidence, or read some books if you think that's not enough). Colonialism is a very poor cop-out argument - it ignores all the countries that have become rich since colonialism (through freedom) and it also is a philosophy of failure and of despair. What Africa needs is more democracy, and until that happens it will be riddled with war and famine, I'm sad to say.
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Africa needs free enterprise. And we're sort of the experts on that. Plus we need trading partners. Everybody wins. Except the planet of course, but what ya gonna do?
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(Original post by tengentoppa)
rather than asking for money from successful nations.

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They don't tend to ask unless there is a natural disaster?

We give, in keeping with a UN agreement in the 70s. Thats somewhat different though and doesn't just cover Africa.
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It was the colonies that threw them into that mess.
I think they were in a mess beforehand tbh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tRzM2tZFng
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Africa needs free enterprise. And we're sort of the experts on that. Plus we need trading partners. Everybody wins. Except the planet of course, but what ya gonna do?
Nail on head. Interestingly, Botswana is one among just a few African countries that has actually adopted real free market policies, and lo and behold, their economy is now one of the fastest growing on Earth, political corruption is almost non-existant, their standard of living is rising and their poverty rate dropping, faster than any other African nation.

Meanwhile the remaining 90% of Africa continues to fester in it's own squalor and corruption under primarily socialist/statist, anti-market systems. And what did they expect? How was wealth ever going to be redistributed when there is virtually no wealth or production in the first place?
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It was the colonies that threw them into that mess.
Not quite. Certain colonial countries fell apart due to lack of significant forward planning and transition, namely, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Belgian. Generally, with the UK the transition was planned and appropriate arrangements were made. Remember that the UK had agreed as part of the Atlantic charter in the early 40s to dispose of empire. That have in many cases 20 odd years to set a grounding for a successful transition.
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It was the colonies that threw them into that mess.
Not quite. Certain colonial countries fell apart due to lack of significant forward planning and transition, namely, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Belgian. Generally, with the UK the transition was planned and appropriate arrangements were made. Remember that the UK had agreed as part of the Atlantic charter in the early 40s to dispose of empire. That have in many cases 20 odd years to set a grounding for a successful transition.

many of the colonial wars for independance in the 50s and 60s had the back drop of the Cold War. I.e communist rebels attempting to gain control instead of democratically elected governments.
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We do not help out of the goodness of our hearts.

All and any 'aid' comes with strings.

We gave 'aid' to Tanzania, as a condition they were forced to buy an obsolete radar system from us.

We are giving 'aid' to the philipines. We will send them a bill for it.
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It was the colonies that threw them into that mess.
Yeah, **** the British Empire for ****ing up Zimbabwe... oh wait it was amazingly economically successful under British Imperial and White Rhodesian rule...
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Ought implies can.
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Yeah, **** the British Empire for ****ing up Zimbabwe... oh wait it was amazingly economically successful under British Imperial and White Rhodesian rule...
Yes but it isn't politically correct to say so. And the historically ignorant like to believe that any and all events are black and white, good or bad, helpful or a hindrance.
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Under colonialism they were oppressed and exploited so they had no choice, also who wants to live in a country ruled by foreign rulers it's a natural desire to seek freedom and self determination. Also the causes of poverty and under development in Africa run much deeper than simply the loss of colonial rule. They include things like disease and civil conflict education etc.
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Not quite. Certain colonial countries fell apart due to lack of significant forward planning and transition, namely, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Belgian. Generally, with the UK the transition was planned and appropriate arrangements were made. Remember that the UK had agreed as part of the Atlantic charter in the early 40s to dispose of empire. That have in many cases 20 odd years to set a grounding for a successful transition.
No, actually, Churchill rejected the notion that self-determination applied to the colonies of the British empire, and also reversed Clement Atlee's policy of decolonisation when the Tories came back to power in 1951. It was only after 1960 under Macmillan that the political consensus accepted the empire was over and started planning for it.
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Yeah, **** the British Empire for ****ing up Zimbabwe... oh wait it was amazingly economically successful under British Imperial and White Rhodesian rule...
It was also economically successful under Mugabe up until he went bat**** crazy in the 1990s and decided to kick out all the white farmers.
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Charaties exaggerate A LOT!
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No, actually, Churchill rejected the notion that self-determination applied to the colonies of the British empire, and also reversed Clement Atlee's policy of decolonisation when the Tories came back to power in 1951. It was only after 1960 under Macmillan that the political consensus accepted the empire was over and started planning for it.
You are right. Churchill initially rejected the notion of self determination, and then was forced to do a U turn in 1941 when he had the agree to this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Charter

Compared to other European colonial powers, when we pulled out of places in teh 50s and 60s we left an incredibly capable organic civil service in our colonies. Th Belgians and Portugese for example decided to just pull out overnight. That's why so many of their former colonies went to chaos as all of a sudden, many newly independant nation states found themselves with a President who used to be a postman, or equally inexperienced people in positions of power.

Take a look around at former British Colonies. As a general rule they've turned out not too bad. Some did fail, but that seems to be down to some people taking advanateg of power vacuums and kicking off old tribal conflicts.
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The consensus amongst many is that richer countries have a responsibility to help poorer countries, such as those in Africa. Why is this?

African countries were very keen to overthrow their colonial rulers, but the post-colonial era has been disastrous for Africa, with corruption, war and famine. Then, when it becomes apparent that these countries are unfit to rule themselves, we are asked to help them by donating money which makes no difference whatsoever.

African countries are the way they are because of incompetent leadership. These are sovereign nations and so should be responsible for the care of people. Why should rich countries, who have managed to successfully govern their land, be forced to help countries which have been unable to do so?

African countries made their bed by kicking out colonial powers, now they should sleep in it and try and sort themselves out rather than asking for money from successful nations.

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African countries should not have been invaded and conquered and colonized by other people groups. Would you like it if your country were conquered, invaded, mined and used for the benefit of another people group whose country is far away? I sure wouldn't.

The Golden Rule of doing to others what you would have them do to you applies in every area of life, including in helping countries in need. Would your country appreciate help if it had been conquered and colonized by another group of people, then left destitute and in disarray? Yes.

It's important to help African countries because we would like help if in the same situation. The Golden rule of doing unto others as we would like them to do unto us is vital for true peace in the world.

Helping others is a part of the good side of humanity. All people are humans. We are the human race. While there are ethnicity differences and cultural differences, we all are of the same species. Love is real, and we all are capable of loving each other and helping each other, no matter what is our country of origin.
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