EEE : Sheffield vs Bath vs Newcastle vs King's College London (Help!!!) Watch

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I am an international student and currently having problem on which uni to decide for EEE. I have received unconditional offers from Sheffield, Bath, Newcastle and King's College London.

Judging from RAE, I know that Sheffield is the best in the list, but after checking the syllabus for the whole 3 years BEng programme, I tend to prefer to choose Newcastle and Bath because they have broader aspect in terms of syllabus offeerings. I choose to do BEng programme because as an international student, I am not really required to have the MEng British accreditation.

I am also considering to choose Newcastle because they offer me 3000 pounds a year under International Student Merit Scheme. My annual fee is 11000 pounds. Apart from that, I am glad that it certainly will help me in financial issue, but is it worth choosing Newcastle? The Guardian / Times ranking for EEE in 2005 and 2006 hailed Newcastle in 10th place.

What about KCL. I heard that KCL is not so great for Engineering but I doubt it as Guardian ranked KCL in 3rd place in 2005.

Please!!! I am greatly in need for advice in choosing the right EEE uni.

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huh? what do you mean EEE? grades EEE or the course? what does it stand for?
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Seen as I don't go to any of the universities you are considering I'll only make a general statement.

For a start, you don't seem to state what you want from a university. What is your preference? The content of the course that is right for you or the ranking position of the university? The latter is notorously subjective and rankings change every year, so I wouldnt strictly adhere to them. However, the content will be pivotal as it's that you'll be studying over the 3 years, so you want to make sure your keen and that you'll look forward to the course.

Overall, I think you've chosen some good universities to study at and when it comes to employment, nothing really sets them apart when getting a good pass in EEE. The kinda questions you want to ask yourself are:

1) What course best suits your interests?
- As every EEE is more or less the same, there will be subtle differences dictated by university's research and teaching interests. The research rating of a university don't really have any major effect with undergraduate students, although what it does reflect is the level of research the staff doing, who are likely to lecture you. From my experience, the lecturers who have been out in industry give the most interesting lectures.

2) What city do you fancy yourself making the most out of?- Bath, Newcastle/Sheffield, London stretch over different parts of UK with differences in local culture and demographics. So you ought to study the cities to see if you can afford and be capable of sustaining a life. Perhaps someone can expand on the student life in the cities mentioned.

3) Cost?

As for Newcastle offering £3000 per year that's darn good for an international student. You ought to really consider that as it could save much financial hardship. I know students who pay £10,000 - £12,000 per year and some I find over work themselves and don't do as well as they should.

I don't think I answered any of your questions, but hope I've added some value on some of the issues when making a decision.

Good luck.
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(Original post by wildfire)
huh? what do you mean EEE? grades EEE or the course? what does it stand for?
EEE = Electrical and Electronic Engineering
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(Original post by qmblix)
Seen as I don't go to any of the universities you are considering I'll only make a general statement.

For a start, you don't seem to state what you want from a university. What is your preference? The content of the course that is right for you or the ranking position of the university? The latter is notorously subjective and rankings change every year, so I wouldnt strictly adhere to them. However, the content will be pivotal as it's that you'll be studying over the 3 years, so you want to make sure your keen and that you'll look forward to the course.

Overall, I think you've chosen some good universities to study at and when it comes to employment, nothing really sets them apart when getting a good pass in EEE. The kinda questions you want to ask yourself are:

1) What course best suits your interests?
- As every EEE is more or less the same, there will be subtle differences dictated by university's research and teaching interests. The research rating of a university don't really have any major effect with undergraduate students, although what it does reflect is the level of research the staff doing, who are likely to lecture you. From my experience, the lecturers who have been out in industry give the most interesting lectures.

2) What city do you fancy yourself making the most out of?- Bath, Newcastle/Sheffield, London stretch over different parts of UK with differences in local culture and demographics. So you ought to study the cities to see if you can afford and be capable of sustaining a life. Perhaps someone can expand on the student life in the cities mentioned.

3) Cost?

As for Newcastle offering £3000 per year that's darn good for an international student. You ought to really consider that as it could save much financial hardship. I know students who pay £10,000 - £12,000 per year and some I find over work themselves and don't do as well as they should.

I don't think I answered any of your questions, but hope I've added some value on some of the issues when making a decision.

Good luck.
Oh, thank you qmblix!!!!
Very detailed and helpful.
Thanks a million again
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Another thing, can anyone tell me about KCL reputation for EEE?
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KCL is not seen as a great uni for any type of Engineering but if you do well you should still be able to get a job at the end of it. London is a very expensive city to live in though. From what you have said, it looks like Newcastle would be a good choice.
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From the information you'e given me, Newcastle is a fine all rounded offer. You say you like the course, so that just leaves what city do you want to spend the next 3 years of your life?

Somewhere on each of the university websites, there should be references to guides and hyperlinks.

Don't forgot that a bright international student is quite an asset to a university as they generally get the best marks and of course generate income.

I personally would go for Newcastle and have an awesome student life . Though the choice is yours.
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I have just finished my first year at newcastle uni with a mean marks of 83.4%.

Even though I hv a scholarship of 2500pa(international fees) i am keen on changing my uni. I hv got offeres from Kings and Bristol. NCl is a nice, friendly place but I found it quite boring. As the only thing you could do over there is go to pubs at night which I am not really into. On the overall my impression of the place is that its not challenging enough for me. You might like it if u like to go out more.

Another thing is that they are trying out new teachers and new course content which really irritates me. In the lab sessions they will give you a chip to program on your own and if you ask for help fromt the lab helpers(PG students) they are confused themselves.

You should also look at the career prospects KCl has ties with 20 industries while NCL has only with 3 (northeast, npower and agilent tech)

I am actually confused myself as some of the subjects which I covered at NCL in 1st year will be thought in 3rd year at KCL.

I am just hoping to get into another good challenging uni.

Best of luck and I hope I havnt confused you further. I am just telling you what I have experienced.
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(Original post by agarwalmukund)
I have just finished my first year at newcastle uni with a mean marks of 83.4%.

Even though I hv a scholarship of 2500pa(international fees) i am keen on changing my uni. I hv got offeres from Kings and Bristol. NCl is a nice, friendly place but I found it quite boring. As the only thing you could do over there is go to pubs at night which I am not really into. On the overall my impression of the place is that its not challenging enough for me. You might like it if u like to go out more.
I think you've entered the wrong country to come and study...lol.

You'll find that drinking beer or going out in general is a regular social activity for students in the UK. So by going to Kings or Bristol or anywhere else, it's not going to be any different. Also note, you have only just completed the first year, so alot of the course material so far, you may have met before in previous studies. Also it is the elementary basis needed for future courses in the 2nd and 3rd years where it gets more challenging. So do not be alarmed if you find some topics easy to do, it's all to get everyone to the same level as everyone, as everyone has come from different educational backgrounds.

Another thing is, you should care about socialising. I don't mean to be a rude and blunt here, but alot of foreign students from India and other nations I have come across, sad to say, don't really go out much and spend all hours studying including owl hours in the computer labs. This is good to an extent and shows your dedicated but actually I think it's poor time management and is potentially detrimental to widening your knowledge outside Engineering. Going out doesn't really mean spending that much money either. I've only ever paid the bus journey to nights out and perhaps just one drink for the whole night. But then again, there are times when I've spent no money for travel to a night out (for those at QM will know about our special 25 number bus :P)!!

(Original post by agarwalmukund)
Another thing is that they are trying out new teachers and new course content which really irritates me. In the lab sessions they will give you a chip to program on your own and if you ask for help fromt the lab helpers(PG students) they are confused themselves.
This is another misunderstanding with foreign students. It's common practice for PhD students in UK to administer and oversee the laboratory sessions. It's part of their PhD learning development to give them experience to teach should they find themselves lecturing in the future. Also, PhD students are usually specialising in a specific area of research and they are still students so don't expect them to be 100% clued up in the lab. If they don't know the answer they will certainly take the time to go and find out on your behalf. The lecturer will sometimes come in the lab to check things are ok but generally the lecturer will just oversee the lab helpers marking of lab work to check they are consistent with the marking scheme. Lastly, if your at a research intense university like Newcastle, lecturers don't really have time for watching over labs.

(Original post by agarwalmukund)
You should also look at the career prospects KCl has ties with 20 industries while NCL has only with 3 (northeast, npower and agilent tech)

Ties with industry can be misleading. If you intend on researching at the instution then it's a good indicator of the area of research and the level of research funding that is entering the Engineering department. This is no use to an undergrad. For an undergrad like yourself, if you get good marks then academics can send you in the right direction about employment opportunities but ultimately it's up to you to apply and go through the process of applying. Whether you go to Newcastle, Kings or Sheffield and you've got a good pass under your belt, then your unlikely to be discriminated if a company is not connected to a particular university.

(Original post by agarwalmukund)
I am actually confused myself as some of the subjects which I covered at NCL in 1st year will be thought in 3rd year at KCL.

Universities administer they're own degree courses and are unique to fit a balance between the lecturer's interests, research strengths of the department and the current skills needed in industry.

Regarding your observation about course modules being taught at different times, some course modules are independant of other courses so they can be taught anywhere in the course. Typical examples include business courses.

(Original post by agarwalmukund)
I am just hoping to get into another good challenging uni.

Best of luck and I hope I havnt confused you further. I am just telling you what I have experienced.
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Thanks and I will keep those things in my mind!

But looking at the choices I have right now do u think is it worth changing my uni?

I started this thread [http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=254065] and till now 2 people have suggested me that bristol is better. Is Kings really bad for engineering.(last year it was surprisingly ranked 3rd by guardian for electronic engineering but this year its not even in the top 20)

What do you think?
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Personally if had to choose just based on the departments I would go to Bristol simply because I know the kind of work Bristol do where as for Kings I haven't heard anything unique about studying there, infact I know alot of lecturers and research groups have left Kings EE department for whatever internal reason. I won't expand on that because it doesn't affect prospective students. Nevertheless they are both good uni's and I couldn't really say much because I don't go to the universities myself. I'd put it down to the course each uni does and whether you want to be in Bristol or London.

Seen as your in UK, why don't you arrange a visit to each of the institutions?

P.S. Another thing worth pointing out is when you go into employment beware of employers who might question your reason(s) for changing to another institution.
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Thanks a lot!!
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