Chances of working in London as an IMG-New Zealander

Hey guys

I'm a 5th yr med student currently studying in New Zealand
How good are my chances of getting a house officer job in London? and if that's possible, would this be a problem when it comes to applying for training programmes (UK graduates being prioritised over IMGs regardless etc)?

I've been talking to a few doctors from the uk who have come to NZ, and they've almost discouraged me from working in the uk due to working conditions etc Hope it's not that bad, would love to work there sometime soon!

Cheers

Our final year is 6th year ! it's a 6 year undergraduate bachelors degree

I have published research but i didn't know presenting at conferences, having another degree etc were all necessary to secure a job! wow it does seem tough out there

but just to get my head around the situation, if i (by pure luck) get a spot in the foundation programme, does that mean i've jumped the 'hurdle' and it'll be all smooth sailing(generally) from there? like i've become a 'uk doctor' if that makes sense..

by the sound of things though it might be better to just stay put! haha

Our final year is 6th year ! it's a 6 year undergraduate bachelors degree

I have published research but i didn't know presenting at conferences, having another degree etc were all necessary to secure a job! wow it does seem tough out there

but just to get my head around the situation, if i (by pure luck) get a spot in the foundation programme, does that mean i've jumped the 'hurdle' and it'll be all smooth sailing(generally) from there? like i've become a 'uk doctor' if that makes sense..

by the sound of things though it might be better to just stay put! haha

You need to read the UKFPO eligibility criteria very carefully to see if you'd be eligible. If your course is 6 years, are you fully registered at the end of it, or only provisionally registered (like UK graduates are)? If you are fully registered you are not eligible for F1.

I am not clear on the details but I think both the UK foundation programme and higher specialty training programmes have some kind of resident labour market test, whereby applications from UK/EU citizens and/or graduates are prioritised over those who graduated elsewhere, who only get a shot if there are no suitable UK/EU candidtes. I would imagine this would make getting into a training job quite difficult, though I know it's not impossible. Have a look on UKFPO and MMC (Modernising Medical Careers) for more information.

Fifth year as in final year?
Applications for starting a house officer position in August 2014 closed months ago!

London is ridiculously competitive!

Have you intercalated? Another degree? Publish research? Presented at national or international conferences?

With regards to whether graduates overseas are treated equally - I assume they are but you should contact the British Medical Association for the facts

Locum jobs (once you have registered as doctor) are often available.

Training posts (like Foundation Programme, Specialist Training etc) are very competitive in London for almost every specialty - one exception being psychiatry.

I am not clear on the details but I think both the UK foundation programme and higher specialty training programmes have some kind of resident labour market test, whereby applications from UK/EU citizens and/or graduates are prioritised over those who graduated elsewhere, who only get a shot if there are no suitable UK/EU candidtes. I would imagine this would make getting into a training job quite difficult, though I know it's not impossible. Have a look on UKFPO and MMC (Modernising Medical Careers) for more information.

As far as FPAS is concerned publications and additional degrees count very little towards the overall application score. One can only gain a maximum of 5 points for additional achievements such as those. On the other hand the SJT which all F1 applicants sit for count for 50% of the total application score. That said I believe additional achievements would be much more useful when it comes to core or speciality applications.

Hey - thanks for the response.

Slightly unsure where you are getting your facts from - I've applied this year for FPAS and there are 7 points for additional education achievements (not 5).

Sorry my bad. But 7 points compared to 50 from the SJT is still a far cry. Also I think our of the 7 points 5 are reserved for additional degrees. I'm just saying based on the recollection of my recent FPAS application. It was a while back since I submitted mine so do pardon me if I got some of the facts wrong.

Sorry my bad. But 7 points compared to 50 from the SJT is still a far cry.

Those 7 marks can make all the difference; especially in the super competitive NWT and NCT deaneries. Are IMG's considered in second round matching for FY posts? I guess you could luck out and get a spot because of failed finals/ill health/etc of a graduate provisionally placed in the big smoke? Is that possible or are EU graduates given priority at this stage?

With regards to the general topic - London is the dream. Join the queue.