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i am sorry if i am confused about this all, but when someone says someone is high academic, does that imply that the person concerned is highly intelligent?
Are these two words synonyms, meaning one word.
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I think to be highly academic, you need a few brain cells to rub together, and that a lot of people who are highly academic are also pretty smart; however, I know of people who are very academic, and although they aren't stupid, neither are they 'highly intelligent'.
Basically, from that, I think that being academic is not synonymous with intelligence, so to follow on from that, I don't see how 'high academic' could by synonymous with it either.
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Highly academic people would probably be knowledgeable in their chosen area.

Is that intelligence? Or expertise? I don't know!

I would class Prince as really intelligent, genius even. There aren't many true lyricists like him. Yes, I'm saying not many people are truly intelligent.
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I think someone who is highly academic is someone who does well and achieves a lot in school and university. The person is probably smart also, but it has a relationship to education and research.
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Intelligence is such a subjective and unquantifiable thing.
If someone is academic, then that can just mean they have sat down and read and practiced everything they needed to know to achieve good grades. Obviously intelliegence comes into it, but to what extent..that depends.
There's also the intelligence where someone can enter an argument and take what information is on offer to structure a good argument and use their initiative..there's being knowledgeable...so many things.
Very good subject for debate though i'd say.
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Does it c*ck. I know people who got 9A* and ended up and terrible unis because they couldn't put together a personal statement.

My cleverest friends are pretty much total failures
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(Original post by Wonderboy Blue)
Highly academic people would probably be knowledgeable in their chosen area.

Is that intelligence? Or expertise? I don't know!

I would class Prince as really intelligent, genius even. There aren't many true lyricists like him. Yes, I'm saying not many people are truly intelligent.
Likewise, Ronnie O'Sullivan is probably a savant in his own right.
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To be highly academic requires dedication and effort, which are not parts of being intelligent, so even if you are very intelligent, you are not necessarily highly academic.
That means that
'Clever => Highly academic' is false.
Hence the two terms can't be synonymous.

'Highly Academic => Clever'.
Is that true? Pulse said that intelligence is subjective, and because of that, it's hard to say at what point a person is or isn't 'clever', making it hard to prove or disprove the above statement.

Yes. I do like maths.
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Person A is verbally precocious but mathematically unremarkable; Person B is mathematically precocious but verbally unremarkable; Person C is mediocre both verbally and mathematically, but exerts that intuitive grasp of trajectory commonly associated with a professional pool-player: all three have registered I.Q.s of 140.

Tell me; who is the more intelligent?

Intelligence is a notional abstract, and quintessentially intangible. Thus, we variously impute certain attributes quite arbitrarily to a hallmark conception of what constitutes intelligence, without ever truly encompassing it. Whether or not an emeritus professor in Renaissance Philosophy is more intelligent per se than the President of M.E.N.S.A. International, or even your perennial dustbin-man, is irrelevant: chances are that the professor will during his life-time accomplish more of lasting consequence, albeit only within the parameters of his field, than either of the latter. Unless, of course, you happen to be a member of M.E.N.S.A.; or inhabit a certain suburb. In fact, I would go on to assert that 'intelligence' doesn't exist per se, at all.
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Person A is verbally precocious but mathematically unremarkable; Person B is mathematically precocious but verbally unremarkable; Person C is mediocre both verbally and mathematically, but exerts that intuitive grasp of trajectory commonly associated with a professional pool-player: all three have registered I.Q.s of 140.

Tell me; who is the more intelligent?

Intelligence is a notional abstract, and quintessentially intangible. Thus, we variously impute certain attributes quite arbitrarily to a hallmark conception of what constitutes intelligence, without ever truly encompassing it. Whether or not an emeritus professor in Renaissance Philosophy is more intelligent per se than the President of M.E.N.S.A. International, or even your perennial dustbin-man, is irrelevant: chances are that the professor will during his life-time accomplish more of lasting consequence, albeit only within the parameters of his field, than either of the latter. Unless, of course, you happen to be a member of M.E.N.S.A.; or inhabit a certain suburb. In fact, I would go on to assert that 'intelligence' doesn't exist per se, at all.
Bravo! My thoughts on the matter exactly, and put extremely eloquently. Person D (Profesh) can put forward an astoundingly well-structured argument..and is a member of the right hair-length society.
There's some rep coming your way mate as soon as i can.
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Tell me; who is the more intelligent?
If you were to use the original IQ tests, person B would come out on top, because they are most likely to have the thought processes allocated marks by Piaget [I'm sure that's the right name :p:]. Then people started picking up on the idea of people being 'brainy' in ways other than mathematically, and now we have verbal intelligence, visual intelligence, digestive intelligence, nasal intelligence... to the point where we have so many kinds of intelligence, all covered by that word, that to match our politically correct world, no person can possibly be 'better' than anyone else.

The fact that a person can raise their IQ by doing more IQ-style tests seems to confirm that if intelligence does exist, we're not doing too great a job of measuring it.

OP, say something; shut me up, I am blethering.
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No, obviously. "Academic" is a word used to express something as trivial, irrelevant or without any real life meaning as much as for intelligence. This should tell you something. My maths teacher is amazing and got a first class honours from Cardiff, but you could slap her in the face with a dead, wet fish and she wouldn't notice.
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It is interesting to note that academic is now often used to desribe something that is irrelevant or not worth considering, ie 'the difference is academic'.
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(Original post by Profesh)
Person A is verbally precocious but mathematically unremarkable; Person B is mathematically precocious but verbally unremarkable; Person C is mediocre both verbally and mathematically, but exerts that intuitive grasp of trajectory commonly associated with a professional pool-player: all three have registered I.Q.s of 140.

Tell me; who is the more intelligent?

Intelligence is a notional abstract, and quintessentially intangible. Thus, we variously impute certain attributes quite arbitrarily to a hallmark conception of what constitutes intelligence, without ever truly encompassing it. Whether or not an emeritus professor in Renaissance Philosophy is more intelligent per se than the President of M.E.N.S.A. International, or even your perennial dustbin-man, is irrelevant: chances are that the professor will during his life-time accomplish more of lasting consequence, albeit only within the parameters of his field, than either of the latter. Unless, of course, you happen to be a member of M.E.N.S.A.; or inhabit a certain suburb. In fact, I would go on to assert that 'intelligence' doesn't exist per se, at all.
Arguably the only non-garbage post you have ever made.
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(Original post by Wonderboy Blue)
Highly academic people would probably be knowledgeable in their chosen area.

Is that intelligence? Or expertise? I don't know!

I would class Prince as really intelligent, genius even. There aren't many true lyricists like him. Yes, I'm saying not many people are truly intelligent.
in response to your sig.....i can only say the wish is mutual :p:

for my post, however......i think most people who are highly academic are clever. i'm highly academic and most would say i'm quite clever.

though completely lacking in comman sense.
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(Original post by Profesh)
Person A is verbally precocious but mathematically unremarkable; Person B is mathematically precocious but verbally unremarkable; Person C is mediocre both verbally and mathematically, but exerts that intuitive grasp of trajectory commonly associated with a professional pool-player: all three have registered I.Q.s of 140.

Tell me; who is the more intelligent?

Intelligence is a notional abstract, and quintessentially intangible. Thus, we variously impute certain attributes quite arbitrarily to a hallmark conception of what constitutes intelligence, without ever truly encompassing it. Whether or not an emeritus professor in Renaissance Philosophy is more intelligent per se than the President of M.E.N.S.A. International, or even your perennial dustbin-man, is irrelevant: chances are that the professor will during his life-time accomplish more of lasting consequence, albeit only within the parameters of his field, than either of the latter. Unless, of course, you happen to be a member of M.E.N.S.A.; or inhabit a certain suburb. In fact, I would go on to assert that 'intelligence' doesn't exist per se, at all.
seeing as how 140 is quite high, i think your example is a bit unrealistic. also, IQ tests are crap.

for example: on an IQ test that tests mainly verbal intelligence i test relatively low for me, and only end up scoring about a 129.

IQ tests that test more highly on math or spacial reasoning i get in the upper to mid 140's.

intelligence. like you said......is quite crap when youre looking at the assesment of it from an objective standing.

however, i just came from driver's education.....the first ever integrated class as regards to intelligence i have taken and i can tell you that it does, indeed exist.

most people in that classroom have niether the ability or ambition to do anything that pertains to upper level thinking. its quite shocking.....and rather dismal, if youre looking at it from the point that these people will be voting in a few years. :rolleyes:
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(Original post by curryADD)
in response to your sig.....i can only say the wish is mutual :p:

for my post, however......i think most people who are highly academic are clever. i'm highly academic and most would say i'm quite clever.

though completely lacking in comman sense.
And evidently the use of the English language too.
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IQ tests that test more highly on math or spacial reasoning i get in the upper to mid 140's.
Highly believable.
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You can be very intelligent and not at all academic if you just don't give a crap. Likewise, if you revise 3 hours a night and spend all your life concentrating on school work, you can be very academic and still not be very clever.
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Highly believable.
somehow i get the idea youre taking the piss :p:

cant believe i spelled comman wrong. perplexing that...i guess its a good thing that spelling is no indication of intelligence!
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