White Only Group

This is a question, i'm wondering if anyone knows the answer.

Say I ran a club called "Honky Dory" or something equally hilarious, and it was a whites only group. I refused to let anyone who wasn't white in. Say we rented out halls to have a little fund raiser in, and ran five-a-side for our white kids or something. I don't really know what "groups" do, but I imagine it's probably mostly fund raisers and five-a-sides, along with some BBQs. Say you charged a £5 yearly fee to be a member, and you got a news letter. Anyway, would this be illegal? Under what law?

And I don't care if you think it SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be illegal, i'm just wondering if anyone knows if it actually is. Ta.

This is a question, i'm wondering if anyone knows the answer.

Say I ran a club called "Honky Dory" or something equally hilarious, and it was a whites only group. I refused to let anyone who wasn't white in. Say we rented out halls to have a little fund raiser in, and ran five-a-side for our white kids or something. I don't really know what "groups" do, but I imagine it's probably mostly fund raisers and five-a-sides, along with some BBQs. Say you charged a £5 yearly fee to be a member, and you got a news letter. Anyway, would this be illegal? Under what law?

And I don't care if you think it SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be illegal, i'm just wondering if anyone knows if it actually is. Ta.

That's a very interesting question. Not really sure what the answer is but I thought it would be interesting to see what the HRA has to say.

Under ARTICLE 11; FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY AND ASSOCIATION

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

I think that 1) might be interpreted to include the formation of a private society to promote "white interests" (whatever they may be)

I don't see why this would be restricted under 2) because it would not pose a threat to national security, public safety, or promote crime ir disorder etc. One could argue that such a club should be restricted for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others (ie the freedom of a black man to join this white society) but there again these freedoms and rights do not exist positively in law anyway.

Of course, the Race Relations Act deals with discrimination but generally applies to the fields of employment, planning, housing, the exercise of public functions (both by public authorities and also private bodies exercising public functions, for example, privately-run prisons), the provision of goods, facilities and services, and education.

I don't think a private club based on white only anglo-saxon interests would be covered here. Certainly it would apply to a private golf club since that is a facility but not sure about a club of this sort.

I think it would be legal but as I have said, I could easily be wrong.

So basically, as long as you, as a group, do not break any laws (such as incitement of racial hatred, etc), you're good?

I hate to ask the inevitable, but... why do you ask?

It may be legal, but you'd have to endure all the racism smears, refusal of services, press coverage, physical attacks on your person and property etc...

Because the whole Alton Towers Muslim Day affair was raised on my forums and I mentioned how they were a group, just like any other renting outt he park. A friend of mine said that if a white only group wanted to they couldnt, because their group would be a illegal. I wasn't sure if it was true, thus I asked.

Alton Towers day is not Muslim only. It's Muslim Fun Day--Muslim-themed. Anyone can go. Besides how would they even know if you're Muslim if you attended, Muslims are all races.

I personally don't know of any black organizations where you have to be black to be a member. Maybe it's different in the UK. The NAACP at my uni had a Mexican girl and an Argentinian girl as VP and publicity chairperson. So I don't think it would be OK for you to discriminate, but I'm sure you'd be free to make it "white-centric" if you want.

This is what I said in my first post. If you'd read it then you'd see the relevance.

If it is illegal then you better tell the "black police association" http://www.nationalbpa.com/ as well as the "society of asian lawyers" www.societyofasianlawyers.com

You ought to read the websites first. From the BLPA's constitution:
ARTICLE 3: MEMBERSHIP


3.1 Full membership is open to any constituted Black Police Association whose aims and objectives are compatible with or supportive of those of the NBPA. All new BPA memberships will be approved by the Cabinet and issued a certificate of membership signed by the elected President in post.

I read more of it and there's absolutely nothing that says you must be black to be a member. But you do have to be a police officer to be a full member.

tangent,

but did anyone see the Young Black Farmers series on C4? The whole was designed to identify two young Blacks for the "conservative" businessman to find jobs for in his company. Given the opportunity was limited to Blacks - was that legal?