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    (Original post by generalebriety)
    I know all I need to know about English. Maths changes direction entirely after A-level. English lit can't possibly change direction. It's not that kind of subject... arts subjects don't change violently like science subjects do, they just become harder and broader because they're easier to get to grips with at a lower level and science subjects become more abstract and complex because you have to start off with a simplification which you then build on top of.
    Dear lord. It's not often I'm lost for words but ... Thank you to the guy who defended me against his (unsporting) ad hominem attacks.
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    (Original post by sax gal)
    I didn't carry maths or english on after gcse, but I will say that with maths the final answer is either right or wrong (even though there are a number of ways of working out the answer and you can get marks for your workings). With essays, there is often no specific answer and you can get marks for making valid points. I think the subjects are of equal importance, someone may have a gift for solving complicated algebra, but may find writing an analytical essay difficult, and vice versa.
    Very true: different courses for different horses.
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    (Original post by Goodfella333)
    Up to GCSE everything i need to know about english will have been learnt. However with GCSE maths i probably would not have even covered 5% of the fundamentals of mathematics.
    I could argue the same for Maths. After GCSE I can add up and do simple sums. If I need more, I'll use a computer or someone trained. English doesn't just mean being able to read and write, you know.

    Which leads me on to my favourite part of this entire thread:

    (Original post by Goodfella333)
    The polls speek for itself.
    Oh, the irony!
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    (Original post by fuglyduckling)
    I could argue the same for Maths
    That was not the point i meant. I meant after GCSE english society know all they need to know about english(or most of it). However this is most certainly not the case for Maths, in fact most of us would be dead if it wern't for science/maths. An example is Louis Pasteur's germ theroy, before Pasteur the chances of a baby survivng from pregnancy was like 10-20%, so if it wern't for Pasteur's scientific discovery which led to the developments of antiseptics most of us would be dead.
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    (Original post by Goodfella333)
    That was not the point i meant. I meant after GCSE english society know all they need to know about english(or most of it). However this is most certainly not the case for Maths, in fact most of us would be dead if it wern't for science/maths. An example is Louis Pasteur's germ theroy, before Pasteur the chances of a baby survivng from pregnancy was like 10-20%, so if it wern't for Pasteur's scientific discovery which led to the developments of antiseptics most of us would be dead.
    1 - Pasteur's not maths, that's science. Actually very little maths involved in the discovery of bacteria.

    2 - You're the only one talking about pragmatic value, everyone else has been discussing the creative/academic issues.
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    Maths is a science.
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    (Original post by Goodfella333)
    Maths is a science.
    No, maths is a science subject, not a science. But if you like: Pasteur is biology/medicine, not maths.
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    No, Pasteur's discovery did not have anything to do with medicine, he was a natural scientist. It must of definately comprised of chemistry and biology, and if you was to do a chemistry degree, you will know most things which involve chemistry will have maths(differential equations, calculus(rates of change)). Therefore Maths win.
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    (Original post by Goodfella333)
    No, Pasteur's discovery did not have anything to do with medicine, he was a natural scientist. It must of definately comprised of chemistry and biology, and if you was to do a chemistry degree, you will know most things which involve chemistry will have maths(differential equations, calculus(rates of change)). Therefore Maths win.
    Of course it had something to do with medicine - Pasteur discovered that bacteria cause disease. That's a medical discovery. Medicine is a specialised area of biology and chemistry,anyway. His discover in particular had little to do with maths, so the maths in chemistry is completely irrelevant. As is this tangent - like I said, this discussion hasn't been about the pragmatic aspects, despite you repeatedly waving them around.
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    (Original post by wanderer)
    Of course it had something to do with medicine - Pasteur discovered that bacteria cause disease. That's a medical discovery. Medicine is a specialised area of biology and chemistry,anyway. His discover in particular had little to do with maths, so the maths in chemistry is completely irrelevant. As is this tangent - like I said, this discussion hasn't been about the pragmatic aspects, despite you repeatedly waving them around.
    O.k. if you don't want to accept Pasteurs scientific discoveries didn't involve maths thats fair.(even though maths is often seen as the language of science)
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    (Original post by Goodfella333)
    O.k. if you don't want to accept Pasteurs scientific discoveries didn't involve maths thats fair.(even though maths is often seen as the language of science)
    Yes, the vast majority of science is built on maths. Pasteur's discovery is a very odd one to pick, thats all, as it involves almost no maths.
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    I voted maths, but only just. English may be more important in daily life as there is nothing more important than effective and lucid communication, but I personally think that maths after GCSE is more academic- couldn't explain why though.
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    Well as long as you know how to read and write... there isnt much point in learning english. english is waste aswell because what is the point of identifying different techniques, e.g. metaphores and similies???

    maths is far more valueble as you can go on learning it for ever and its is much more useful...whereas there is no challege in reading or writing
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    there is no challege in reading or writing
    Even as a mathematician I have to disagree with that. Truly writing something original that other people will want to read and reading something properly and analysing it is an art in itself.
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    (Original post by Aceofspades2345)
    Without a doubt Maths, on both catagories. Without Maths, this poll would not exist, neither would the keyboard I'm typing on, the chair I'm sitting on, or the screen I'm looking at. Maths is integral to everything. If we're honest, the study of English, while undoubtedly interesting to some, and irrefutably academic, is fundamentally pointless. The skills learnt can be applied practically, but only to a frivolous end, e.g. journalism, fiction, whereas maths can be used to actually further the quality of life for billions.

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that English is not worth studying, just that the study of it will not have great value, other than that of personal pleasure.

    Oh, and please no one reply with the horribly trite "life is nothing without the arts" argument, it's just tiresome.

    my thoughts exactly
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    English is way more important you learn it before math and you use it to communicate and when you go to maths how does your math teacher describe it to you in English wich you learn in English . right now while we are dabating you are using English not math . how did you make your notes with English were did you learnd how to read and write in English . you also mite say well we learnt are numbers in math but you can write numbers in letters like 4 is spelt like four I learnt to spell that in English and pronounced it all thanks to my English skills I have achieved loads like I bilt my bed with my mum by reading my instructions with my English skills yes I also used my math skills but it only whent up to nine but they used most of the alphabet and when we see numbers we see letters when we see letters we don’t normly see numbers when I do math and get my sheet with all my question s I need to know what to do so there are normaly instructions on the sheet in English wich is english skills.
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    (Original post by glittergirl987)
    English is way more important you learn it before math and you use it to communicate and when you go to maths how does your math teacher describe it to you in English wich you learn in English . right now while we are dabating you are using English not math . how did you make your notes with English were did you learnd how to read and write in English . you also mite say well we learnt are numbers in math but you can write numbers in letters like 4 is spelt like four I learnt to spell that in English and pronounced it all thanks to my English skills I have achieved loads like I bilt my bed with my mum by reading my instructions with my English skills yes I also used my math skills but it only whent up to nine but they used most of the alphabet and when we see numbers we see letters when we see letters we don’t normly see numbers when I do math and get my sheet with all my question s I need to know what to do so there are normaly instructions on the sheet in English wich is english skills.
    This is a 10 year old thread.

    I think they're debating the usefulness of English as a subject rather than English as a language.
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    Undoubtedly English.. If we cannot communicate and think creatively despite of having brilliance you are useless.. I don't wanna knock on anyone but those who thinks that Maths is more important for our daily life or for our future are the stupid people I've ever come across.. Though you got a job in IIT.. but if you can't speak English or can't communicate I think you will fail to keep your position on.. Moreover, I respect Maths too.. Maths really helpful to become an Academic.. But English is everything.. If you can't speak English you cannot give solutions of Maths problems to all the Foreign people.. At last personally I love English it is my life..
 
 
 

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