Non Western male do you view Western males are emasculated?
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Original post by Rational Thinker
Coercion in civil courts (and even more disturbingly sometimes criminal courts) which can often show preference for the woman, eg female perpetrators of domestic abuse receiving a lesser sentence.
Is this proven are there studies about this? If so thats very unfortunate. If it has gone to the degree to affecting the law things definitely need to change before it goes further. I have only heard that children of divorced parents whose father dont visit often tend to do less well in school and worse psychologically. So for this case i highly disagree on preventing the father from visiting their kids unless they cause harm to their child.
Original post by chocolatesauce
The society is changing and so do the people, I think its time we accept it. If you are being affected a lot by this then you should get some help (not you in particular before we start a fight 
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)So the subordination of males is something we should just accept? Seems rather farcical. I am trying to be reasonably objective but it is comments like this which make me more sympathetic to those who point out that men need to fight for their rights.
Original post by Sai4
I do believe the men of today are weak and emasculated for several reasons:
- Estrogens and phytoestrogens in our environment
- Feminism/Gender roles confusion (a shift towards liberalism)
- Bio-accumulation of chemicals such as PCB's in drinking supply and food - (lowers serum testosterone)
- Lack of physcial and mental exercise and stimulation
- Technology... porn,video games, internet, thus less human interaction
- Estrogens and phytoestrogens in our environment
- Feminism/Gender roles confusion (a shift towards liberalism)
- Bio-accumulation of chemicals such as PCB's in drinking supply and food - (lowers serum testosterone)
- Lack of physcial and mental exercise and stimulation
- Technology... porn,video games, internet, thus less human interaction
Thank you for your post!
can you give me examples of emasculation in society?
Original post by chocolatesauce
can you give me examples of emasculation in society?
The neglect of males in education and the trivialising of violence towards males. These are examples. To some extent it is more dehumanising than emasculation however I think the two in the instance interlink.
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Original post by Sai4
I do believe the men of today are weak and emasculated for several reasons:
- Estrogens and phytoestrogens in our environment
- Feminism/Gender roles confusion (a shift towards liberalism)
- Bio-accumulation of chemicals such as PCB's in drinking supply and food - (lowers serum testosterone)
- Lack of physcial and mental exercise and stimulation
- Technology... porn,video games, internet, thus less human interaction
- Estrogens and phytoestrogens in our environment
- Feminism/Gender roles confusion (a shift towards liberalism)
- Bio-accumulation of chemicals such as PCB's in drinking supply and food - (lowers serum testosterone)
- Lack of physcial and mental exercise and stimulation
- Technology... porn,video games, internet, thus less human interaction
How is their estrogen in our environment?
Original post by Rational Thinker
The neglect of males in education and the trivialising of violence towards males. These are examples. To some extent it is more dehumanising than emasculation however I think the two in the instance interlink.
what! when did males ever get neglected when education was a factor, if nothing females should be slopping over this. we had to fight for our right to get educated, you were handed it on a plate! and now you complain that you are being neglected? I don't see anyone being neglected. If you feel that you are go and fight for it or make it more aware, I don't see any of this happening.
Original post by chocolatesauce
what! when did males ever get neglected when education was a factor, if nothing females should be slopping over this. we had to fight for our right to get educated, you were handed it on a plate! and now you complain that you are being neglected? I don't see anyone being neglected. If you feel that you are go and fight for it or make it more aware, I don't see any of this happening.
Were you there did you actually do the fighting or was that other people? It is becoming more and more apparent that males are being neglected in education.
Original post by Rational Thinker
Why do you say that?
they have cynically (emphasis) bought into the myth of feminism
Original post by Rational Thinker
Were you there did you actually do the fighting or was that other people? It is becoming more and more apparent that males are being neglected in education.
it was the Pankhurst sisters if you must know, but I don't see any male figures in history doing this or even now. I think you'll agree that females don't accept sexism anymore, its even apparent on TSR. your thread is the only thread that talks about emasculation. and exactly how are they being neglected?
For me emasculation ultimately means no longer being a breadwinner hence I believe that the West is becoming more and more emasculated. However I believe we do have a choice, we can agree before a marriage that the woman will be the housewife and take care of the home. Men in the west are however being nurtured away from being masculine. Examples: no longer seen as bad to not work for the family. A lot of boys failing through the education system showing a lack of responsibility and discipline.
Original post by chocolatesauce
it was the Pankhurst sisters if you must know, but I don't see any male figures in history doing this or even now. I think you'll agree that females don't accept sexism anymore, its even apparent on TSR. your thread is the only thread that talks about emasculation. and exactly how are they being neglected?
Well it actually was not the Pankhurst sisters, they had a negligible effect on the enfranchising of women let alone education. I think that sexism against males is ignored. As for education, males are more likely to be labelled as troublemakers, I have in the past heard of a female teacher who actually tried to desperately hold back male students luckily she was eventually fired but it took a long time.
Original post by khala
How is their estrogen in our environment?
Estrogens such as phytoestrogens are present in many vegetables and fruits, and they function by blocking estrogen metabolising enzymes such as aromatase, potentially acting as endocrine disruptors.
Thats just one example, synthetic man-made estrogen in the environment accounts for more and can be found in pesticides , products associated with plastics, pharmaceuticals, household products, industrial chemicals and heavy metals.
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Original post by Rational Thinker
The neglect of males in education and the trivialising of violence towards males. These are examples. To some extent it is more dehumanising than emasculation however I think the two in the instance interlink.
I don't think the trivialisation of violence towards men is an example of emasculation, if anything it's the opposite, men are thought to be tougher and stronger than women in our society and people are more accepting of violence towards them. This is not something I agree with. Also can you explain what you mean when you says it is dehumanising?
Original post by Rational Thinker
Well it actually was not the Pankhurst sisters, they had a negligible effect on the enfranchising of women let alone education. I think that sexism against males is ignored. As for education, males are more likely to be labelled as troublemakers, I have in the past heard of a female teacher who actually tried to desperately hold back male students luckily she was eventually fired but it took a long time.
you don't seem to understand and you are making me angry on Christmas. I think us females have done extremely well to gain the level of respect and quality of life we have today, education and everything. If you are that worried start a campaign or something.
Original post by theoferdinand
I respect them, and their culture but i definitely see them as emasculated . I suppose thats what happens when you allow your women to burn their bras
In the West, women are not under the control of men. Welcome to civilisation.
Original post by chocolatesauce
you don't seem to understand and you are making me angry on Christmas. I think us females have done extremely well to gain the level of respect and quality of life we have today, education and everything. If you are that worried start a campaign or something.
Well I am sorry if you're angered by historical facts. The suffragettes which I presume you're implying in your post, were a farce from beginning to end, they fire-bombed churches (not very Christmassy) and David Lloyd George's house and he was a supporter of female suffrage! Expediency was the reason behind female suffrage. Males are neglected in education and stereotyped as well.
Original post by Rational Thinker
Well I am sorry if you're angered by historical facts. The suffragettes which I presume you're implying in your post, were a farce from beginning to end, they fire-bombed churches (not very Christmassy) and David Lloyd George's house and he was a supporter of female suffrage! Expediency was the reason behind female suffrage. Males are neglected in education and stereotyped as well.
I'm not angered by the historical facts but your ignorance of others opinions and females are stereotyped as well, some people just need to grow up and stop moaning.
Original post by chocolatesauce
I'm not angered by the historical facts but your ignorance of others opinions and females are stereotyped as well, some people just need to grow up and stop moaning.
Ignorance of others opinions. Why would I start a thread asking for diverse opinions if I was ignorant of opinions. "Grow up and stop moaning" seems rather hypocritical. I mean you yourself implied that you do not care about non Westerners opinions on Western culture.
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Original post by Rational Thinker
Ignorance of others opinions. Why would I start a thread asking for diverse opinions if I was ignorant of opinions. "Grow up and stop moaning" seems rather hypocritical. I mean you yourself implied that you do not care about non Westerners opinions on Western culture.
how does that correlate with the statement I made? why would you then attack them?
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