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I'm really interested In tb ever since seeing his early speeches. He seemed like a really great leader, really in touch with the public.
He made a lot of great contributions to the UK including the minimum wage which greatly increased the quality of life. Which is why I'm confused why (apart from getting involved in the iraqi war) people hate him.

Also are there any good links/reads about his reforms/time in office. I'm only newly getting into politics
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because he was an entirely unprincipled two faced liar who was only interested in getting power and, once he left, accumulating private wealth
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You have to understand that every PM is by definition, hated. Somewhere down the line people will forget the crap they did and revere them a bit, but otherwise, it's a position that attracts hate.
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Tony Blair made a decision without mandate to open the borders and let in millions of unskilled foreigners which had a dramatic downward impact on wages for the lower/working class.

This is the only reason he introduced the minimum wage, to mask the obvious social unrest which would have resulted.
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Iraq and the infighting between him and Brown have somewhat damaged any lasting legacy of his
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Neathergate. That's why I hate him.
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I hope he gets bum cancer.
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(Original post by Acidy)
I'm really interested In tb ever since seeing his early speeches. He seemed like a really great leader, really in touch with the public.
He made a lot of great contributions to the UK including the minimum wage which greatly increased the quality of life. Which is why I'm confused why (apart from getting involved in the iraqi war) people hate him.

Also are there any good links/reads about his reforms/time in office. I'm only newly getting into politics
He's not as universally hated as the media indicates. Much like Thatcher there is a small group who view him as a god and a more significant number who view him positively with a large minority who hate them.

He's generally hated by socialists for accepting the Thatcherite consensus and hated by the far right for not being socially conservative.

Personally I supported his foreign policy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Sierra Lionne are better off now than they were before.
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As with Thatcher, we probably won't be able to fully assess Blair's policies with a clear head in our lifetimes. There is too much party politics attached to the current interpretations flying around that it is difficult to root out the straight answer. How effective were Blair and Brown at managing the economy? Irresponsible gamblers whose spending and lax policies encouraged the recession and bred a nation of entitled benefit scroungers, or conservative spenders whose well-meaning plans to improve the welfare of those "left behind" by Thatcherism were blown to smithereens by events outside their control?

Saying that, as Rakas21 has expressed, I have to say that generally I agree with Blair's foreign policy. I do think Iraq however was shambolic, but this issue largely lies around the disastrous post-war cleanup such as the mass sacking of the Iraqi army in a country that badly needed a domestic stabilising force.
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Tony Blair made a decision without mandate to open the borders and let in millions of unskilled foreigners which had a dramatic downward impact on wages for the lower/working class.

This is the only reason he introduced the minimum wage, to mask the obvious social unrest which would have resulted.
You realise Major signed the Maastricht Treaty...?
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(Original post by Acidy)
I'm really interested In tb ever since seeing his early speeches. He seemed like a really great leader, really in touch with the public.
He made a lot of great contributions to the UK including the minimum wage which greatly increased the quality of life. Which is why I'm confused why (apart from getting involved in the iraqi war) people hate him.

Also are there any good links/reads about his reforms/time in office. I'm only newly getting into politics
I don't think they do, he would have won a decent majority of at least 60 seat on the day before he announced he was leaving. Do remember he left office of his own accord as part of a planned transition. Off the top of my head I can't think of the PM before him who managed that...

Mainly people got bored/annoyed with his presentation style and the public had unrealistic expectations in '97.
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He's not as universally hated as the media indicates. Much like Thatcher there is a small group who view him as a god and a more significant number who view him positively with a large minority who hate them.

He's generally hated by socialists for accepting the Thatcherite consensus and hated by the far right for not being socially conservative.

Personally I supported his foreign policy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Sierra Lionne are better off now than they were before.
+1 to this. Blair is a politician and was involved with the Iraq war. He is therefore hated.

I think he did a really good job as PM, not perfect by any means, but by and large he made a lot of good calls.
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Many people in The Labour Party never forgave him for his reform agenda and abandoning socialism by scrapping Clause IV.

That he ditched any pretence of being left wing and is far better at accumulating wealth than most most city traders means he will never be forgiven.
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Personally I supported his foreign policy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Sierra Lionne are better off now than they were before.
Really? Try telling that to the 7,000 people who died in Iraq last year.

At the moment it is all going tits up in Fallujah with some saying that the country is in the brink of a secatarian civil war. My friend's relatives are considering leaving the country for some time - they went to Syria last time things went bad but...
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Really? Try telling that to the 7,000 people who died in Iraq last year.
I doubt they'd disagree if asked.

Out of a population of 20m people 7,000 dying is pretty low. I'd have to search the interwebs but I suspect thats the lowest mortality rate going.
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Blair was awesome. Really united the country.

Best PM since Thatcher.
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I doubt they'd disagree if asked.
Exactly.
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really in touch with the public.
Salesmen usually are
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He's not as universally hated as the media indicates. Much like Thatcher there is a small group who view him as a god and a more significant number who view him positively with a large minority who hate them.

He's generally hated by socialists for accepting the Thatcherite consensus and hated by the far right for not being socially conservative.

Personally I supported his foreign policy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Sierra Lionne are better off now than they were before.
Nonsense!

Thatcher is hated by 40% and loved by 60%

Blair is hated by 90%and loved by 10%
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Nonsense!

Thatcher is hated by 40% and loved by 60%

Blair is hated by 90%and loved by 10%
Find me just one source for that or i call troll.

All polls of best PM's have Blair either first or second.
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