Mother escapes jail after luring man to ‘humiliating’ torture with offer of threesome

The fact of the matter is that none of us were jurors at the court hearing so none of us know the full story. The Metro is allowed to report whatever information is convenient to the story it chooses to run. Whilst it might be true that this is a miscarriage of justice, it is more likely that there's something we don't know about that led to the Judge's decision.

... and the men were just 20 and 24. Broadly the same life stage. Women are only vulnerable to manipulation by men when they are significantly younger. This is why a 20-year-old with a 16-year-old girlfriend is probably taking advantage while a 25-year-old with a 20-year-old girlfriend (same proportion) probably isn't.

Actually she had sex with the third guy who showed up, Doyle, her 'other lover', the one who had supposedly been abusive. The boyfriend was Hogan. The article does not say that the victim was being tortured during the sex, rather than he was lying on the floor.

How wouldn't I? Like you said, you're making excuses for her saying it's possible that she was abused herself so what is to stop other women using that defence in the future if they know it will get them off? I wonder what would have happened if the situation was reversed and a guy claimed that he was abused by his girlfriend who tortured someone. Would he be spared jail? Would he ****.

And I doubt someone who was being abused would become 'horny' in her own words after just seeing such an events.

The fact you're defending her is disgusting.

Recourse to vigilante justice would be a pretty big loss to society, actually. If you want to live in that society, good luck to you.

You seem to continue to fail to grasp the concept of manipulation and threat.

Would a guy be spared jail? Yes. There have been countless cases of men who have been threatened with severe consequences should they not perform something which they do not wish to do; those men are not convicted, rather it is the people holding them to account who are jailed. Does this then cause an increase in the amount of men committing robberies or smuggling drugs who then use the excuse that they were simply being held hostage with the consequence of abuse? No. It doesn't. So why would the same occur to women in abusive relationships? Use your brain.

Most idiotic reply I think I have ever seen to be honest. You're comparing cases where there is hard evidence of men being forced to perform acts compared to a women who simply said 'he abuses me' with no evidence?

Get a grip

What? How do you know there is no evidence? You think the papers just made it up? It's clearly stated in the article that she was in an abusive relationship. What's more likely, the journalist just made that up on the spot, or they have clear evidence for it, which they decided not to print?

That's not entirely true. I've actually studied the sentencing guidelines as part of my course (and could do with revising them), so I could attempt, based on whatever information is reported in the media, to explain how the judge might have reached his decision - if that's of interest to (enough) people.

Most likely because of the fact that her boyfriend was abusive and she was in an abusive relationship. If her bf has been abusive to her physically and mentally, which normally includes consistent emotional manipulation to the point where the woman will think it is she who is in the wrong, then it's very easy to see how she could have been persuaded to go along with the whole thing.

Would it be right to jail a woman who was in an abusive relationship at the time, who may have feared for her own safety if she had not gone along with it? Or who may have been manipulated into cooperating?

Go ahead then, nobody's stopping you. Just don't sit there rasping on about how much you've studied it if you're not going to explain anything. At the end of the day, a man got murdered in a horrible fashion by some maniac who should have been put in jail but escaped it.

Go ahead then, nobody's stopping you. Just don't sit there rasping on about how much you've studied it if you're not going to explain anything. At the end of the day, a man got murdered in a horrible fashion by some maniac who should have been put in jail but escaped it.

Do you even bother reading the articles before starting on about gender bias?

If it hadn't been for her then none of this would have happened. All people who killed him, including the men, are twisted and sick, but the fact that she got off with it is disgusting. I haven't begun to bring in gender bias yet; you have.

The point is that no-one was killed, and you're going on about murder.

And you think that makes his treatment any better? She more or less raped him whilst he was tortured. All the of the perpetrators involved should be drowned to death and their families forced to leave the UK.

And if you are trying to defend them then you don't deserve much better.