i think UKIP will at least replace the lib dems in coming years

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UKIP are a great party who were really needed on the political scene and it's great to see how their party has come to fruition.

i'm gonna have to wait to see how the run up to the elections go because i might even vote for them myself. i live currently in a labour constituency (shudders) so i'm at no risk of splitting the tory vote (always liked the tories) and even labour voters here are getting irate at how retarded the dumb labour council are here.

anyway, britain has absolutely no interest in voting lib dem really because their policies basically just flat out suck lol. nigel farage, you truly are a hero of our time.
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UKIP will be a complete non-entity in the not too distant future.
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Ukip are a party of the elite this will be exposed at the next general election and they will lose a large block of their voters
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(Original post by thetruththelies)
UKIP are a great party who were really needed on the political scheme and it's great to see how their party has come to fruition.

i'm gonna have to wait to see how the run up to the elections go because i might even vote for them myself. i live currently in a labour constituency (shudders) so i'm at no risk of splitting the tory vote (always liked the tories) and even labour voters here are getting irate at how retarded the dumb labour council are here.

anyway, britain has absolutely no interest in voting lib dem really because their policies basically just flat out suck lol. nigel farage, you truly are a hero of our time.
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No they won't.

The Lib Dems are a serious party.

UKIP are a joke.
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No they won't.

The Lib Dems are a serious party.

UKIP are a joke.
what constitutes "serious party" other than the condition of that party being able to have popularity in constituencies opposed to nationally? for example, UKIP, for a while now, have been getting approvability levels higher than the lib dems, but that means nothing if their support isn't regional (obviously I'm talking about FPTP and the geneal election). UKIP have been here since the mid to late 1990s, the lib dems were around only about 10 years before that, so if history predicates "seriousness", 10 years really isn't that much of a difference...
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what constitutes "serious party" other than the condition of that party being able to have popularity in constituencies opposed to nationally? for example, UKIP, for a while now, have been getting approvability levels higher than the lib dems, but that means nothing if their support isn't regional
The Liberals actually could function in government.

UKIP couldn't. They, and their supporters, are so unbelievably naive as to think UKIP could work successfully in power.
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The Liberals actually could function in government.

UKIP couldn't. They, and their supporters, are so unbelievably naive as to think UKIP could work successfully in power.
"the liberals"? or "the liberal democrats"? because obviously the "liberals" did have governments at the beginning of the century, whereas the lid dems never have on their own like the cons/labour. and if UKIP got a majority of parliamentary seats, or like the lib dems, they formed a coalition, how would they be less capable of running a government if, like with our current parliament, the conservatives would probably *prefer* ukip over the somewhat left wing and non-conservative lib dems. and calling UKIP supporters "naive" doesn't do anything to the party itself - most people vote labour, con, or lib dem - surely the public are, mostly, naive when it comes to politics? if you went up to a random stranger in the street I doubt they'd be able to keep up a good political conversation
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Personally, I hope they both become non existant.
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I reckon they might stand a chance if they bring back Kilroy-Silk.
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Ukip are a party of the elite this will be exposed at the next general election and they will lose a large block of their voters
How on earth is UKIP a party of the elite? UKIP is a party that serves people who are too uneducated/simple-minded to actually understand what's going on in the world and how to make a difference or who are stupid enough to believe the ridiculous patriotic "We're so great and powerful" nonsense UKIP spew. I would assume that most of the elite would vote Conservative if they're right wing.
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Although I intend to vote for them in the coming election, they will never be a serious party unless they embark on a serious reform. Their only appealing policy is the anti-EU stance, which is why they have so many potential voters due to the inability of LibLabCon to even attempt a reform of the EU and the general distrust of government in the past decade.

Everything else is a handful of meaningless policies which they can say because they will never get any real power in the FPTP voting system.
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I would not be surprised if UKIP takes more votes in the General Election than the Lib Dems. Of course, characteristically smug Lib Dems say "But they're not going to win any seats"

That's a very hypocritical attitude for a party that claims to believe in proportional representation
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what constitutes "serious party" other than the condition of that party being able to have popularity in constituencies opposed to nationally? for example, UKIP, for a while now, have been getting approvability levels higher than the lib dems, but that means nothing if their support isn't regional (obviously I'm talking about FPTP and the geneal election). UKIP have been here since the mid to late 1990s, the lib dems were around only about 10 years before that, so if history predicates "seriousness", 10 years really isn't that much of a difference...
Yes, but the Lib Dems were the merger of two already-existing and established parties, the Liberals and the SDP (who were themselves a split from Labour). There hasn't been any case in the universal suffrage era where a national-level party has gone from being also-rans to being a major party.
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UKIP may or may not be a serious political party. BUT: A huge number of voters are utterly disillusioned with the main parties and the same people absolutely detest the decline in the UK since EU membership. It is a very potent mixture and IMHO will cause chaos at the election.
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How on earth is UKIP a party of the elite? UKIP is a party that serves people who are too uneducated/simple-minded to actually understand what's going on in the world
Some of their policies do, some of their policies don't. Their employment law policies clearly do not benefit the poor

“UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays … overtime, redundancy or sick pay etc"

“UKIP would legislate to ensure the scope of claims which can be heard by tribunals will be greatly reduced. In particular, limits on unfair dismissal and discrimination claims will be re-instated and no unfair dismissals or discrimination claims would be admitted by the Tribunals in respect of employees with less than two years continuous employment.”
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How on earth is UKIP a party of the elite? UKIP is a party that serves people who are too uneducated/simple-minded to actually understand what's going on in the world and how to make a difference or who are stupid enough to believe the ridiculous patriotic "We're so great and powerful" nonsense UKIP spew. I would assume that most of the elite would vote Conservative if they're right wing.
I completely agree I think UKIP have a unrealistic popularist tone, I was saying that UKIPs economic polices are far more conservative and would cut out much of the government intervention that protects working and middle class voters. Strangely enough this hasn't been highlighted yet and probably will around the next general election, allowing many recent supporters to see past the propaganda and wishful thinking propagated by the party, which then would result in a large voting block abandoning them, essentially pushing back UKIP to what it was a few years ago.
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I completely agree I think UKIP have a unrealistic popularist tone, I was saying that UKIPs economic polices are far more conservative and would cut out much of the government intervention that protects working and middle class voters. Strangely enough this hasn't been highlighted yet and probably will around the next general election, allowing many recent supporters to see past the propaganda and wishful thinking propagated by the party, which then would result in a large voting block abandoning them, essentially pushing back UKIP to what it was a few years ago.
Yeah UKIP need a SOCIALIST economic policy . But Farage is an ex banker and and bourgeoisie through and though so he would never support labour over capital.
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I completely agree I think UKIP have a unrealistic popularist tone, I was saying that UKIPs economic polices are far more conservative and would cut out much of the government intervention that protects working and middle class voters. Strangely enough this hasn't been highlighted yet and probably will around the next general election, allowing many recent supporters to see past the propaganda and wishful thinking propagated by the party, which then would result in a large voting block abandoning them, essentially pushing back UKIP to what it was a few years ago.
The issue is that UKIP is a protest party rather than a party that is capable of doing anything useful. UKIP gives people what they want. A lot of people don't have a lot of national pride (which is a good thing because there's no reason to have any national pride) so UKIP tells them how great we are to make them happier. A lot of people also want to have scapegoats to blame their problems on so UKIP tells them it's all the fault of the EU and immigrants (although to be fair this is basically what all political parties are saying, UKIP's just more explicit). And it goes on, spewing out policy after unrealistic policy just to appease frustrated people who haven't got the first clue about anything. It's like giving candy-canes to toddlers.
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Yeah UKIP need a SOCIALIST economic policy . But Farage is an ex banker and and bourgeoisie through and though so he would never support labour over capital.
Yes but most voters now are poor/lower middle class voters who some how believe that UKIP are for "the people", when this is exposed most supporters will abandonee the party. But UKIP have done really well getting people to vote against their own interests, Gobells would be really proud.
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