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Director Ken Loach's call for a united movement on the left produced Left Unity.

From initial impressions - given that the Constitution was only drawn up at the end of November - it seems that this really is an attempt to create an organisation which stands up for the rights of ordinary people and moves against the neoliberalist agenda.

If it only succeeds in pulling the Labour Party back over to the left (akin to how UKIP has taken the Conservatives to the right), it will have had some positive impact.

It's very much in the grass-roots stages at the minute, being built from the bottom up. It's perhaps the only party with a true socially democratic Constitution, rallying against cuts and privatisation.

Thoughts?
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oh boy :rolleyes:
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As a leftie I personally think that this party has about as much chance as the BNP...

The party seems to be Owen Jones's wet dream.
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(Original post by zjs)
Director Ken Loach's call for a united movement on the left produced Left Unity.

From initial impressions - given that the Constitution was only drawn up at the end of November - it seems that this really is an attempt to create an organisation which stands up for the rights of ordinary people and moves against the neoliberalist agenda.

If it only succeeds in pulling the Labour Party back over to the left (akin to how UKIP has taken the Conservatives to the right), it will have had some positive impact.

It's very much in the grass-roots stages at the minute, being built from the bottom up. It's perhaps the only party with a true socially democratic Constitution, rallying against cuts and privatisation.

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I can't really see the Labour Party becoming a party of the left again and to the extent that they have any 'leftist' policies these are invariably left-liberal policies not socialist.

Despite their best efforts to appear different from each other the three major parties are all liberal-capitalist orientated not least because they are all chasing the same electoral demographic which brings them political victory; the middle-class.
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As a leftie I personally think that this party has about as much chance as the BNP...

The party seems to be Owen Jones's wet dream.
I think you're being overly dismissive.

The BNP represents a kind of far right xenophobia that, although is currently on the increase due to the recession and stirring up of sentiments by certain elements on the media, has never been seen as very savoury by the majority of people in the country.

It isn't designed to be a Party that leaps into power or a pivotal impact as quickly as possible. It recognises that change will be gradual and slow. The whole point is that it's being built from the ground up. Given that there is very little opposition from current parties towards austerity measures and privatisation, it's likely to draw at least some support.

There's enormous public support for stopping the privatisation of the NHS and reversing the cuts; you only have to look at the success of groups such as UK Uncut and the doctors and nurses regularly rallying against Lansley's reforms. Add to the that the large support for groups promoting equality and the strong desire from large sections of the population to avoid war and you've got quite a segment of the population that would be interested. As well as the far left, who currently lack any kind of organisation beyond the Greens, there's broad appeal to students, those squeezed by the cuts, those rallying against gentrification etc.
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I think the lack of unity among Communist tendencies and Anarchists is a bigger problem that needs rectifying. Democratic Socialists have a habit of becoming appropriated and pulled off course by the nature of the institution they are participating in and are unlikely to make social change happen.
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A party that wants to destory capitalism? Was Labour ever that far left?
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A party that wants to destory capitalism? Was Labour ever that far left?
About as left as my right gonad. Labour was more of a regulator for capitalism, rather than trying to establish itself as an alternative. Now it's molding itself around the tories. Because it's best for us.
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A party that wants to destory capitalism? Was Labour ever that far left?
It is explicitly anti-capitalist, granted. However, 'destroying' capitalism is somewhat grandiose. It's more about protecting the welfare state, the environment and ending discrimination.

Moving against privatisation and austerity is a move away from neoliberalism. As such, it is of course moving against the 'Third Way' towards full socialism. The fact that full socialist is nigh-on impossible to achieve in the country isn't the point. A voice for social democracy, and against the maxim that capitalism and turning a profit is in itself an inherent good, is necessary.

Although I don't advocate the complete adoption of a socialist credo in terms of a socialist economic model, I do believe in social democracy, and think now is really the time when a more radical Party is needed to at least challenge the entrenched idea of austerity and stand up for the average person as things becoming disproportionately moved to favour the richest in society, large corporations and employers.
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(Original post by zjs)
Director Ken Loach's call for a united movement on the left produced Left Unity.

From initial impressions - given that the Constitution was only drawn up at the end of November - it seems that this really is an attempt to create an organisation which stands up for the rights of ordinary people and moves against the neoliberalist agenda.

If it only succeeds in pulling the Labour Party back over to the left (akin to how UKIP has taken the Conservatives to the right), it will have had some positive impact.

It's very much in the grass-roots stages at the minute, being built from the bottom up. It's perhaps the only party with a true socially democratic Constitution, rallying against cuts and privatisation.

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People still cling to Labour despite them being largely compliant with the Thatcherite consensus when viable socialist parties like the Greens already exist.

I don't think Labour have anything to really fear from this creation.
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(Original post by Davij038)
As a leftie I personally think that this party has about as much chance as the BNP...

The party seems to be Owen Jones's wet dream.
I fear this thread will be subject to taxation now that you've dared speak the name of he who must not be taken seriously :zomg:
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Director Ken Loach's call for a united movement on the left produced Left Unity.

From initial impressions - given that the Constitution was only drawn up at the end of November - it seems that this really is an attempt to create an organisation which stands up for the rights of ordinary people and moves against the neoliberalist agenda.

If it only succeeds in pulling the Labour Party back over to the left (akin to how UKIP has taken the Conservatives to the right), it will have had some positive impact.

It's very much in the grass-roots stages at the minute, being built from the bottom up. It's perhaps the only party with a true socially democratic Constitution, rallying against cuts and privatisation.

Thoughts?
how are they different to socialist workers?
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People still cling to Labour despite them being largely compliant with the Thatcherite consensus when viable socialist parties like the Greens already exist.

I don't think Labour have anything to really fear from this creation.
I have to agree. The idea of a united left party has worked well in plenty of other European countries, e.g. the Front de Gauche in France, Izquierda Unida in Spain, SYRIZA in Greece, etc. and I see no reason why it can't work here. But just as with all of the above, it needs to be based on a reasonably established party, and as it stands the Greens are the only national party that comes close to meeting this standard.
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Is there a party that favours the individual but is against neoliberalism?
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Is there a party that favours the individual but is against neoliberalism?
No. The right of the Libs, Tories and Ukip are dominated by neo liberals. You might find the odd MP though.
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An oxymoron if there ever was one. The left in this country simply cannot appeal to the common man.
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No. The right of the Libs, Tories and Ukip are dominated by neo liberals. You might find the odd MP though.
Any smaller ones?

Parts of Labour are too (Blair etc)
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Any smaller ones?

Parts of Labour are too (Blair etc)
Not that i know of but unlike the left the right has achieved a large majority of its goals, all parties can do now is argue about what kind of icing they want on the cake so there's little reason to fracture.
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People still cling to Labour despite them being largely compliant with the Thatcherite consensus when viable socialist parties like the Greens already exist.

I don't think Labour have anything to really fear from this creation.
This may be true, but I think a lot of would-be socialist voters dislike the prioritising of a green agenda over and above all other issues.

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how are they different to socialist workers?
Predominately in promoting equality for all as part of its Constitution. Measures such as ensuring 50% of delegates are women seem to indicate that Left Unity is unlikely to suffer an enormous scandal on the basis of an alleged rape and lack of apology, as recently inflicted the SWP.
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