Was there already a hatred of Jews in Germany before the Nazis got into power?

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Surely there must of already been some form of hatred against the Jews and Hitler didn't just manage to completely change the way of thinking of a whole population.
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Surely there must of already been some form of hatred against the Jews and Hitler didn't just manage to completely change the way of thinking of a whole population.
Of course! Anti-Semitism was widespread, even in Britain!
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Surely there must of already been some form of hatred against the Jews and Hitler didn't just manage to completely change the way of thinking of a whole population.
Yes, and it wasn't just Germany, it was horrific right across eastern Europe.
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Yes, and it wasn't just Germany, it was horrific right across eastern Europe.
So the Nazis actually represented the thinking of many people and they weren't unique?
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There were certainly people who hated Jews in 1800s Germany, probably even further back.
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So the Nazis actually represented the thinking of many people and they weren't unique?
Perhaps, but it doesn't excuse their murderous hatred; these were centuries old prejudices.

If you're really interested try reading The Holocaust by Martin Gilbert, it's a book that all adults should read, it isn't nice, some of the things that happened to people back then were truly horrific.
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Perhaps, but it doesn't excuse their murderous hatred; these were centuries old prejudices.

If you're really interested try reading The Holocaust by Martin Gilbert, it's a book that all adults should read, it isn't nice, some of the things that happened to people back then were truly horrific.
Of course not. Just interesting seeing how they got into power with such extreme views. Will consider reading that book, thanks.
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There was anti-Semitism in Britain as well.
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Of course not. Just interesting seeing how they got into power with such extreme views. Will consider reading that book, thanks.
You say extreme views, for us now, yes, were they extreme at the time?

Does it perhaps pose the interesting question that do people/society really know what's good for them and what they really want or need? Of course I'm being general and haven't read up too much about the political history at the time.
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Anti semitism has been around long before the nazis and not just in Germany eg they were blamed for the black death and killed

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Jews have been hated in Christian Europe and the Islamic world for centuries. Maybe because Jews by definition have failed to notice the supposed superiority of the latter cults, it raises some insecurity or something. They're also an easy target for conspiracy nutters, given that there are so few of them and they are overrepresented in valued occupations. You have to remember that Germany was an economically failed state after WWI, having been stripped of its territory, colonies and imperial status. In times of distress, people tend not to use their brains so much.
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Martin Luther and Richard Wagner.

Do we really need to go further?
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Jews have been hated in Christian Europe and the Islamic world for centuries. Maybe because Jews by definition have failed to notice the supposed superiority of the latter cults, it raises some insecurity or something. They're also an easy target for conspiracy nutters, given that there are so few of them and they are overrepresented in valued occupations. You have to remember that Germany was an economically failed state after WWI, having been stripped of its territory, colonies and imperial status. In times of distress, people tend not to use their brains so much.
Islamic world? better check your facts! Historically they got on well with jews. Far better than Christians at least.
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During the First Crusade there was a holocaust committed against Jews in the form of a series of 'pogroms'. Every Jew in Jerusalem was rounded up into the synagogues which were then burned down.
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Yes, Jews have been gaily scapegoated since at least the 1300s when there was fury at how they weren't subject to religious restrictions on usury like Christians and Muslims, so they were over-represented in the money-lending business. In episodes of banker-bashing we can only dream of today, they were driven into ghettos, subjected to expropriation of assets and expelled in various European countries. Of course the poor schmucks who were just regular non-financier Jews got caught up in this vilification, a common myth, repeated in Chaucer, was of blood libel, where supposedly a young innocent Christian child would wander into the ghetto and be ritually sacrificed by the nasty evil Jews.

Of course this was a time when religion was big and after the banker stuff was over, or in peasant communities far removed from that business, people justified persecution because of how the Jewish mob condemned Christ to death.

And so it went on for a few centuries with the Jews being the default whipping boys of Europe whenever Christian fervour happened to peak.

Hitler's nationalism programme was based on a kludge of various supposed great eras in the history of Germany, including the Holy Roman Empire era which was basically around the time of the most vicious Jewish persecution. In the light of the economic turmoil, and the fact that it's easy to point to the still extant Jewish banking families as the root of conspiratorial evil, the link was obvious. Nazism was given a big boost by eugenics, the logical conclusion of the Darwinian ideas that had rapidly come to acceptance in the latter half of the nineteenth century. So you really had the perfect storm to paint Jews not only as conspiratorial bankers who caused crashes and hyperinflation but also as a race quite distinct from the true Germans, which might not have happened were it not for eugenics.

Above someone mentions the First Crusade, yes, I should add that Jews have been the default scapegoats for almost the entire history of the Christian Church. The image of the Jewish banker was a big part of Hitler's propaganda though so the 1300s episode is very much relevant.
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There had been hatred for the Jews throughout Europe for centuries. Edward I attempted to remove them from England. They were - in some circles - suspected to have caused the Great Plague. Jews have often been viewed as lecherous, greedy, users, Christ-Killers, poisoners and killers of children. As above, 'Pogroms' happened a few times through Europe. And even a supposed 'good man' like Martin Luther King was a vehement anti-Semite.

The Nazis ideas were not unique to them, and even an ethnic cleansing had been posited before. In fact, during the second World War, the Nazis even had supporters in America and Britain who agreed with their solutions towards the 'Hebrew problem'. There was a British-born philosopher, Houston Chamberlain, I believe, who wrote a text in the late 18th century which coined the ideas of a superior 'Aryan' race. It was even a common notion after WWI that the Jews had 'betrayed' Germany and stabbed them in the back, forcing them to surrender.
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Haha. Poor Jews when they're destroying Palestinians. Jews view non-Jews a gentiles. All these other conspiracy theories are bloody pathetic. Immigrants have always been universally unpopular. The West believes self-defence is inherently evil, and that their role is to sacrifce themseles for the entire world. Nazism is stil alive through nonviolent means. it's called multiculturalism and diversity, an extreme racial agenda to disposses, replace, minoritized people without their knowledge, by brainwashing and deamonizing them.

But Jews don't le any immogrants into Israel....poor me anothe
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Odd since the Qu'ran is a blue-print on anti-semitism yet most of these posters will defend Islam at the drop of the hat.

Anybody who didnt want to be invaded bu Jewish refugees against their wish or consent was apparently a cruel, vile person. Hahaha. Typical Leftism. Whilst ignoring the terrorist state Israel, which hate anybody inside it's walls which isn't a Jew.

You're also forgetting how many Communist Jews killed millions of Russians.
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Surely there must of already been some form of hatred against the Jews and Hitler didn't just manage to completely change the way of thinking of a whole population.
Not sure for Germany, but in Hitlers native country Austria there was.
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Yes, Jews have been gaily scapegoated since at least the 1300s when there was fury at how they weren't subject to religious restrictions on usury like Christians and Muslims, so they were over-represented in the money-lending business. In episodes of banker-bashing we can only dream of today, they were driven into ghettos, subjected to expropriation of assets and expelled in various European countries. Of course the poor schmucks who were just regular non-financier Jews got caught up in this vilification, a common myth, repeated in Chaucer, was of blood libel, where supposedly a young innocent Christian child would wander into the ghetto and be ritually sacrificed by the nasty evil Jews.

Of course this was a time when religion was big and after the banker stuff was over, or in peasant communities far removed from that business, people justified persecution because of how the Jewish mob condemned Christ to death.

And so it went on for a few centuries with the Jews being the default whipping boys of Europe whenever Christian fervour happened to peak.

Hitler's nationalism programme was based on a kludge of various supposed great eras in the history of Germany, including the Holy Roman Empire era which was basically around the time of the most vicious Jewish persecution. In the light of the economic turmoil, and the fact that it's easy to point to the still extant Jewish banking families as the root of conspiratorial evil, the link was obvious. Nazism was given a big boost by eugenics, the logical conclusion of the Darwinian ideas that had rapidly come to acceptance in the latter half of the nineteenth century. So you really had the perfect storm to paint Jews not only as conspiratorial bankers who caused crashes and hyperinflation but also as a race quite distinct from the true Germans, which might not have happened were it not for eugenics.

Above someone mentions the First Crusade, yes, I should add that Jews have been the default scapegoats for almost the entire history of the Christian Church. The image of the Jewish banker was a big part of Hitler's propaganda though so the 1300s episode is very much relevant.
Jesus was a Jew. How can all Chrsitians hate him? Talking about Propaganda whilst saying 'The Jews have been scapegoats since always'. Lol, you might want to look up the race card or the word propaganda yourself.
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