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Is there a rape culture at University?
Just read an article in the Guardian, seems to suggest there is a big rape culture at Universities. Question is, is there a culture like this? is it on the rise or has it been always like that? Is enough being done to tackle it?
http://www.theguardian.com/education/mortarboard/2014/jan/27/rape-culture-campus
http://www.theguardian.com/education/mortarboard/2014/jan/27/rape-culture-campus
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Sod the Guardian.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
Agree, LAD culture in general is disgusting, misogynistic and objectifying. It's offensive to men as well, not just women. It needs to stop
Reminds me of the incident a few months ago of the night club in Leeds which had an event called, 'Freshers Violation' http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/09/leeds-club-night-blasted-rape-promotional-video_n_4069644.html
There are definitely attitudes still prevalent that need to be challenged.
There are definitely attitudes still prevalent that need to be challenged.
Original post by corax
Reminds me of the incident a few months ago of the night club in Leeds which had an event called, 'Freshers Violation' http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/09/leeds-club-night-blasted-rape-promotional-video_n_4069644.html
There are definitely attitudes still prevalent that need to be challenged.
There are definitely attitudes still prevalent that need to be challenged.
Wtf. Why would a girl even go to a club like that
People don't seem to understand what rape culture is. When you say that a university has 'rape culture' it isn't suggesting everyone there is a rapist or even has the potential to be one. To me it says that the society within that university misunderstand the weight of 'rape' and tend to dangerously trivialise it, often for a 'joke'. The result is largely subconscious but harmful, and definitely avoidable. Doing this as incessantly as I have certainly witnessed many people at my university doing demeans survivors of rape as well as helps to hide those in the crowds who may be sexual offenders or rapists.
For example - a female student was raped in Lancaster's main club last term. No-one knows who it was. That guy could be with a group of his friends, laughing, drinking, and rape jokes are made. No-one really sees the harm, but to that man who knows what he has done, this seeming acceptance and allowance of the 'culture' he has slipped into without anyone realising removes some of his guilt - it makes it so that he can laugh at rape. He can laugh at the fact that he has raped someone. And people with worries about whether rape is 'funny' and can be laughed at have their doubts removed by pressure to join in the hilariousness that is sexual violence and horror, and they can become part of the culture.
That's how I see it. And I think these things are simply never worth a 'joke'. I never put up with a rape joke, from my friends or from people around me. I don't understand how anyone else can, either.
So yes, those jokes, these lax attitudes to the 'funny side' of something so horrific, create a rape culture that feeds rapists and potential offenders, and knocks down survivors. I see it within my own university as well as online, even in media and pop culture.
For example - a female student was raped in Lancaster's main club last term. No-one knows who it was. That guy could be with a group of his friends, laughing, drinking, and rape jokes are made. No-one really sees the harm, but to that man who knows what he has done, this seeming acceptance and allowance of the 'culture' he has slipped into without anyone realising removes some of his guilt - it makes it so that he can laugh at rape. He can laugh at the fact that he has raped someone. And people with worries about whether rape is 'funny' and can be laughed at have their doubts removed by pressure to join in the hilariousness that is sexual violence and horror, and they can become part of the culture.
That's how I see it. And I think these things are simply never worth a 'joke'. I never put up with a rape joke, from my friends or from people around me. I don't understand how anyone else can, either.
So yes, those jokes, these lax attitudes to the 'funny side' of something so horrific, create a rape culture that feeds rapists and potential offenders, and knocks down survivors. I see it within my own university as well as online, even in media and pop culture.
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by L i b
Sod the Guardian.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
I always feel like I live in a different universe when people say something like this is 'culture' and we 'accept it'.
Anyways, the article is very biased and furtively misandrist. Girls are as involved and proudly so in the 'laddish' culture as are men. Want to get rid of it? Criticise the role of both gender.
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by L i b
Sod the Guardian.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
Couldn't agree more. That's like saying there's a murder culture or a mugging culture. It's not a culture. It's some people committing awful acts. If a few doctors rape their patients, is there a rape culture in the medical profession?
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Agree, LAD culture in general is disgusting, misogynistic and objectifying. It's offensive to men as well, not just women. It needs to stop
This thread is about rape, not about so-called "lads". Equating the two is a serious accusation. There's a difference between being a bit of a dick and raping someone.
Original post by Ribbit1234
Wtf. Why would a girl even go to a club like that
The better question is why did the organisers think what they were doing was acceptable.
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Original post by tengentoppa
This thread is about rape, not about so-called "lads". Equating the two is a serious accusation. There's a difference between being a bit of a dick and raping someone.
This thread is about rape, not about so-called "lads". Equating the two is a serious accusation. There's a difference between being a bit of a dick and raping someone.
Yes but LAD culture is "rape eqsue" in my opinion. I'm not saying everyone who is a LAD is a rapist, just that the ideas and actions that are bandied about aare very offensive and rap esque, if that makes sense
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Agree, LAD culture in general is disgusting, misogynistic and objectifying. It's offensive to men as well, not just women. It needs to stop
I don't see any references in the article to 'lad' culture.
Original post by tengentoppa
Couldn't agree more. That's like saying there's a murder culture or a mugging culture. It's not a culture. It's some people committing awful acts. If a few doctors rape their patients, is there a rape culture in the medical profession?
This thread is about rape, not about so-called "lads". Equating the two is a serious accusation. There's a difference between being a bit of a dick and raping someone.
This thread is about rape, not about so-called "lads". Equating the two is a serious accusation. There's a difference between being a bit of a dick and raping someone.
I'm pretty sure Tyrion's not considering them the same, I think she's just saying that it's not a particularly nice way of thinking, and I'd agree looking at the the sort of misogynistic behavior I have seen being exhibited, It's disgusting
Original post by Plainview
I don't see any references in the article to 'lad' culture.
The attitudes the article was on about are typical of lad culture..
Original post by Mubariz
I'm pretty sure Tyrion's not considering them the same, I think she's just saying that it's not a particularly nice way of thinking, and I'd agree looking at the the sort of misogynistic behavior I have seen being exhibited, It's disgusting
Again though, I fail to see how this relates to a "rape culture".
Original post by Mubariz
I'm pretty sure Tyrion's not considering them the same, I think she's just saying that it's not a particularly nice way of thinking, and I'd agree looking at the the sort of misogynistic behavior I have seen being exhibited, It's disgusting
Yeah, pretty much, and it leads to a trivialisation of actual rape. Saying things like "I'm going to get her drunk before I make a move" "that's a typical pulling method!!!" is very rapey, and glorifies taking advantage of women, and that kind of thing is commonly said
Original post by awe
People don't seem to understand what rape culture is. When you say that a university has 'rape culture' it isn't suggesting everyone there is a rapist or even has the potential to be one. To me it says that the society within that university misunderstand the weight of 'rape' and tend to dangerously trivialise it, often for a 'joke'. Doing this as incessantly as I have certainly witnessed many people at my university doing demeans survivors of rape as well as helps to hide those in the crowds who may be sexual offenders or rapists.
For example - a female student was raped in Lancaster's main club last term. No-one knows who it was. That guy could be with a group of his friends, laughing, drinking, and rape jokes are made. No-one really sees the harm, but to that man who knows what he has done, this seeming acceptance and allowance of the 'culture' he has slipped into without anyone realising removes some of his guilt - it makes it so that he can laugh at rape. He can laugh at the fact that he has raped someone. And people with worries about whether rape is 'funny' and can be laughed at have their doubts removed by pressure to join in the hilariousness that is sexual violence and horror, and they can become part of the culture.
That's how I see it. And I think these things are simply never worth a 'joke'. I never put up with a rape joke, from my friends or from people around me. I don't understand how anyone else can, either.
So yes, those jokes, these lax attitudes to the 'funny side' of something so horrific, create a rape culture that feeds rapists and potential offenders, and knocks down survivors. I see it within my own university as well as online, even in media and pop culture.
For example - a female student was raped in Lancaster's main club last term. No-one knows who it was. That guy could be with a group of his friends, laughing, drinking, and rape jokes are made. No-one really sees the harm, but to that man who knows what he has done, this seeming acceptance and allowance of the 'culture' he has slipped into without anyone realising removes some of his guilt - it makes it so that he can laugh at rape. He can laugh at the fact that he has raped someone. And people with worries about whether rape is 'funny' and can be laughed at have their doubts removed by pressure to join in the hilariousness that is sexual violence and horror, and they can become part of the culture.
That's how I see it. And I think these things are simply never worth a 'joke'. I never put up with a rape joke, from my friends or from people around me. I don't understand how anyone else can, either.
So yes, those jokes, these lax attitudes to the 'funny side' of something so horrific, create a rape culture that feeds rapists and potential offenders, and knocks down survivors. I see it within my own university as well as online, even in media and pop culture.
Culture - the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society.
No, calling it culture is where the problem starts off and is counter effective. The word 'culture' indicates that it happens a lot and is very normal (at least seen as normal). This is where a lot of confusing happens and leads to people debating the wrong things and focusing their energy on the wrong aspects. As a result, you get people dismissing that it actually does exist.
Words are powerful like that and the meaning is set. If it was expressed in a better terminology, more people will probably join in with getting rid of the 'culture' and stigmatising it. This is where the 'feminist' movement lose a lot of credibility as they take an histrionic approach rather than a pragmatic approach.
Everyone hates a rapist or someone that sexually assault another person.
I use to struggle with this quite a bit. I'd do something idiosyncratic once or twice such for example dosing off in lecture and all of a sudden, I've got the reputation as that guy that dose off in lecture which is far from the truth and confused me when people starts joking about it.
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by L i b
Sod the Guardian.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.
It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.
This. Will rep when I'm recharged,
Original post by Monkey.Man
oh hey, I think I found a picture of you:
Lois?
If you want to criticise my argument and have your points respected, I'd refrain from making childish comments like thatOriginal post by Tyrion_Lannister
Lois? If you want to criticise my argument and have your points respected, I'd refrain from making childish comments like that
If you want to criticise my argument and have your points respected, I'd refrain from making childish comments like thathaha okay I take the lois thing back, I think it was basically the list of feminist buzz words that gave me the "nagging mother" impression, but do you ever wonder if the "LAD" "culture" is more based on irony and not genuine intent to offend women? do you think it's caused men to rape women more often?
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