Is there a rape culture at University?

I don't really understand what you mean by saying girls 'who drink so much that their legs become open for business' and then following that up with 'booze doesn't make them do it'. what are you trying to say?

well obviously i disagree with that, yes means yes.

But this is my point, not only should men be careful because it is the correct thing to do ...it's also the bloody smart thing to do.

Men also at risk of being accused of rape, either falsely or rightly it doesn't matter your reputation is ruined unless by some miracle she is proven to be talking a load of ****.

Is it really worth it for a quick fumble? Really?

Agree, LAD culture in general is disgusting, misogynistic and objectifying. It's offensive to men as well, not just women. It needs to stop

Sod the Guardian.

Bad people sometimes rape people. That's not a 'culture', that's not got anything to do with gender roles, or people indulging in edgy humour. It's got nothing to do with nightclubs, or dancing, or one-night-stands, sexual promiscuity at college parties, or pornography, or getting off-your-face drunk.

It's simply an evil, criminal act that is beyond the comprehension of the average person. So kindly don't try to associate thousands of decent students with rape simply because they engage in any of the above - perfectly normal - activities.

If you are looking for sex, booze wil help you lose sone inhibitions but it doesn't change who you are. It won't turn a genuine prude into a whore.

Nobody said anything about being owed sex. This is the same insane spin feminists put on the friend zone too. A girl selfishly flirts with a guy and exploits his feelings for attention and feminists somehow spin this to make the guy the baddie. "Being nice to a girl doesn't entitle you to sex blah blah blah".

It's called "reframing the issue", where the parties are revered, and has become infuriatingly common. Another example is when Hilary Clinton laughably declared women were the true victims of war.

Now, a woman accepting drinks from a guy when she knows fine well he is sexually attracted to her and wants to bang her/get her number/get to know her/whatever, and has no intention of reciprocating those feelings, is the definition of exploitation.

You know this, but as you've admitted that yourself do this, I think you're just trying not to appear like an exploitative cheap trollop.

I don't see how that's sexual assault. If someone is drunk, but consents, then they have to take responsibility for that.

No, it really isn't. Also, how am I an exploitative cheap trollop? I said, to say again "If I say "thanks, but I have a boyfriend", and the person insists on getting me a drink even then, well then that's his problem". I'm up front with people, if they choose to not respect what I've said and somehow think they can get more from it, that is their fault.

A drink is just a drink. Nothing more. It is not women's responsibility that a man is sexually attracted to her

i have no sympathy for girls who purposely intoxicate themselves knowing that they will be surrounded by opportunistic sexual predators

it's easy to blame men and their 'rape culture', but women are still facilitating it

I think, despite his inability to keep sexist language out of his argument, that he actually has a good point.

Just because you are up front with people doesn't mean other women are, and it is a form of exploitation, frankly. It's an open, accepted form of exploitation, by women, of men, which if other things were equal would be shocking.

Although you'll only be exploited if you're stupid enough to buy random people you don't know drinks, so the joke is really on the guys doing this.

"Rape culture".

Just what exactly does that mean? There is no rape culture in the UK. Look at the statistics. If the UK, or UK universities have a "rape culture" then we have a class A drug epidemic in this country.

What needs to be addressed is how many of those situations involved alcohol and strangers. Research has also shown that with guys, when their testosterone levels increase, their morals do slide, involuntarily so. In short, don't make out with drunk strange guys no matter how nice they may have seemed because you, and he, literally may not know what his next move may be.
With the things like swaps, everyone knows what they are going for. Playing the innocent naive princess card only masks genuine social issues.

You are vastly overestimating how seriously claims of rape are taken. The huge majority of rapes go unreported, and of the ones that are reported, only a small fraction result in a conviction.

Yeah not everyone is up front, but the thing is, a drink shouldn't be considered sex. A drink is just a drink. It's to get to know the person, to talk to them etc. Not to sleep with them.

If you're admitting that the drink means anything, then it becomes difficult to argue that a man's intention to use the drink to indicate sexual interest, and a recognition by the woman of that intention, doesn't constitute an understanding that accepting the drink is an indication of openness to that path.

I think, despite his inability to keep sexist language out of his argument, that he actually has a good point.

Just because you are up front with people doesn't mean other women are, and it is a form of exploitation, frankly. It's an open, accepted form of exploitation, by women, of men, which if other things were equal would be shocking.

Although you'll only be exploited if you're stupid enough to buy random people you don't know drinks, so the joke is really on the guys doing this.

What? No. A drink is a drink. Buying someone a drink usually means, if you want to say that, they want to get to know you. Even if the person is sexually interested, the woman has no obligation to sleep with him just because she accepted the drink..

Your attitude to women is quite obvious in your use of the words 'prude' and 'whore' - I do not want to listen to the attitudes of men like you towards rape culture, you are part of this problem.

I didn't say 'a woman has an obligation to sleep with him'. What it does mean, though, is that if you understand that a man has probably bought you a drink out of sexual interest, then accepting that drink without any intention of ever going beyond conversation is misleading and exploitative.

Regardless of what buying a drink 'should' mean, I don't think you're naive enough to believe that men usually buy girls drinks purely for pleasant conversation.