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Do you trust the food industry?

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Reply 60
I always feel consious when cooking anything frozen or in cans.. who knows what's actually in there.
Reply 61
Original post by Raiden10
What you seem to have here is an example of non-GMO, conventional farming advances in the 50s that saved millions.

Isn't there a more recent example, perhaps more relevant to the current technologies?

And strange things that have been seen would be for example the virus that has jumped from GM Tobacco to insects, including honeybees, in the US. That's well over a billion years of evolution.

As I said we need to find a way forward that does not send all the profits to multinational operations, curing world hunger that way is a fools errand that will only end in even more death.

GMOs, for example, lead to unknowns. It may not doom us all. There is at least hope. Patents on food, regulation, corporate oligopoly, on the other hand, that is certain doom.

The worst thing about GMOs is not the GMO - but the fact that America is the capital of GMO foods. America is extremely pro-massive multinational corporations, and that is the kind of GMO their government pushes.

[America, where big corporations basically own the government, does a tardy job of feeding their OWN citizens: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/american-diet-report-card-unhealty. What kind of job do you think they will do at feeding the rest of the world?]

Some Greenpeace activists destroyed some crops. Therefore, I sicken you? Hmm, perhaps I'll have to run that statement through the logic gates again. Okay. Nope. Still not getting it.

In any case, there was an incident in 2013 where 400 Filipino farmers destroyed a field of Golden Rice. Why would they do that? Are they (farmers) wicked?


Original post by Raiden10
What you seem to have here is an example of non-GMO, conventional farming advances in the 50s that saved millions.

Isn't there a more recent example, perhaps more relevant to the current technologies?

And strange things that have been seen would be for example the virus that has jumped from GM Tobacco to insects, including honeybees, in the US. That's well over a billion years of evolution.

As I said we need to find a way forward that does not send all the profits to multinational operations, curing world hunger that way is a fools errand that will only end in even more death.

GMOs, for example, lead to unknowns. It may not doom us all. There is at least hope. Patents on food, regulation, corporate oligopoly, on the other hand, that is certain doom.

The worst thing about GMOs is not the GMO - but the fact that America is the capital of GMO foods. America is extremely pro-massive multinational corporations, and that is the kind of GMO their government pushes.

[America, where big corporations basically own the government, does a tardy job of feeding their OWN citizens: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/american-diet-report-card-unhealty. What kind of job do you think they will do at feeding the rest of the world?]

Some Greenpeace activists destroyed some crops. Therefore, I sicken you? Hmm, perhaps I'll have to run that statement through the logic gates again. Okay. Nope. Still not getting it.

In any case, there was an incident in 2013 where 400 Filipino farmers destroyed a field of Golden Rice. Why would they do that? Are they (farmers) wicked?


And the pioneer of those practices said that GM food is the only way forward...

Of course. Golden Rice could save thousands every day. But it's being constantly blocked by anti-GMO people.

Please link me to this. It's the first I've heard of it.

I don't understand what is so bad with corporations if they supply a quality product that works? You can live in a fairytale if you want where everyone works for free but it's not going to happen in the real world.

This makes no sense. America's diet is bad because of people's choices, not because of GM food? I've no idea what you mean. Also the average American isn't a food scientist/agriculturalist with a PHD whereas many who work for biotech companies are...

That's not what I said..

Hmm, maybe that was because they'd been spoon fed lies and propaganda by Greenpeace?
Reply 62
Original post by Cucurbita
And the pioneer of those practices said that GM food is the only way forward...

Of course. Golden Rice could save thousands every day. But it's being constantly blocked by anti-GMO people.

Please link me to this. It's the first I've heard of it.



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/10/filipino-farmers-destroy-genetically-modified-golden-rice-crops/

As I said, those are Filipino farmers who feed the Philippines. Are they "wicked" because they won't swallow the seed of Monsanto/Syngenta et. al.?

They may be misinformed. But they have a right to make that choice.

Original post by Cucurbita

I don't understand what is so bad with corporations if they supply a quality product that works? You can live in a fairytale if you want where everyone works for free but it's not going to happen in the real world.


Fairytale is it? Do you think Syngenta invented Golden Rice? You seem to have confused patents with invention. Many people find open-source GMOs a far less scary prospect.

Original post by Cucurbita

This makes no sense. America's diet is bad because of people's choices, not because of GM food? I've no idea what you mean. Also the average American isn't a food scientist/agriculturalist with a PHD whereas many who work for biotech companies are...


Please, America is a country where people who sell walnuts and strawberries get threatening letters from the FDA for making claims that their food is healthy, whereas fizzy drinks containing Benzoic Acid and god only knows what else are free to run rampant through the public sphere with their advertising.


Original post by Cucurbita

Hmm, maybe that was because they'd been spoon fed lies and propaganda by Greenpeace?


And we come back to the beginning. The opinions of those who are supposed to be helped by the whole thing get phased out... make it about healthy wicked westerners and not about the actual people who live in these countries...
Reply 63
Original post by Cucurbita
How would the regulatory bodies protect the corporations? You're just making things up now.


Because that's what they always do.

Original post by Cucurbita


It's not handing over the food supply is it though? It's giving companies a chance to produce and sell GM seeds. Farmers still have a choice to buy them or not.


Who lives in the fairytale now? It doesn't work that way, farmers end up beholden to the technology that is supposed to help them.

I'm not even actually saying that it couldn't help them. But the mode of delivery will be crush - profit - crush - profit:

http://www.grain.org/article/entries/10-grains-of-delusion-golden-rice-seen-from-the-ground

For Example: "According to a press release jointly issued by IRRI, the Rockefeller Foundation and Syngenta in January 2001, six out of the 32 or so companies and institutions which own patents on certain technologies used to develop golden rice, had each licensed the technology free of charge. The companies are Syngenta Seeds, Syngenta, Bayer, Monsanto, Orynova, and Zeneca Mogen. Subject to further research, initially in the developing countries of Asia, as well as local regulatory clearances, golden rice will be made available free of charge for humanitarian uses in any developing nation. However, the terms of the free license agreements are still unclear: they appear to cover research, but not release or commercialisation. This lack of clarity casts a huge question mark over how "free" the agreement really is and has huge implications for the accessibility, availability and affordability of golden rice to farmers around the world. Instead of resolving the intellectual property issues around golden rice, the inventors have passed the buck to developing countries and public institutions to sort out the mess themselves."
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I trust them as far as I expect them to not poison me, however I couldn't afford to eat any differently anyway so I really don't have a choice in the matter.

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Reply 65
Original post by Pop_tart
I would have been very happy to complete your survey as this is something I am interested in too and care about but since your survey is entirely targeted on meat eaters I wasn't able to complete it.

Meat is just a tiny tip of the iceberg, I think it's much worse with processed foods but im not an expert!

Anyway, best of luck with your research and I would be interested to see what results you get :smile:


thanks :smile:, sorry probably should have mentioned it was about meat, i focused it on that because it's what people think of most of as horsemeat is the most recent food scandal, and my testing was just based on meat products, I agree with you though meat is just a very small part of it, it's could be almost any food product.

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